Canadao: Shifting to Decentralised governance systems with Kyle Kemper

Keri Norley 

On this episode of the wealth Alchemist podcast I have Kyle Kemper on the show with me get ready to expand into some big picture thinking around government policy corruption, enslavement and the broken system. Kyle is Justin Trudeau the prime minister of Canada's half brother. On this call. We talk about where politics are at now and where we are headed in the future. With web three technologies Dows, crypto and more. We even talk about what does love have to do with the future of our world? It's deep, it's fast. And as always, it's juicy. Enjoy the show. Hello, and welcome to this episode of the wealth Alchemist podcast today. I am so excited for this interview. I have Kyle Kemper on the call with me today or the show with me today. Kyle and I met I'm going to tell you his bio in a moment. But Kyle and I met through the Miami crypto experience where I think you co founded co created the experience. And he was like the host.

 

Kyle Kemper 

Yeah, the Halsey event, organiser.

 

Keri Norley 

And so he was working with all the speakers and he was doing all these interviews beforehand and making sure everything kind of ran for the for the speakers, which was awesome. And we had some great conversations there. We've had an interview back then, too, that you guys might want to check out about decentralized finance. And I've followed you ever since and I just love your story. I love what you're bringing to the space. I love the energy that you bring it with. And so for me it's such an honor to be able to have this conversation with you today. Today we're going to be diving deep into decentralization, decentralization and government. So Kyle I will read you his bio. He is a visionary, strategist, technologist, artist and family man. He's a serial entrepreneur and advisory to many projects big and small, committed to seeing the world have an easy and secure way to use and benefit from crypto, crypto, NF T's and blockchain while assuring it's a technology for liberty, value creation and abundant new systems. I love this. Kyle Kemper is also a staunch evangelist and promoter of liberty and informed consent. He believes that COVID-19 is more about control and centralization of power, and not about health and well being. He has been featured in many major media podcasts and speakers. He's a lover of dance, which is one of my favorite things about Kyle amongst others, human connection, radical self expression and is a key member of the decentralized dance party. The Doge party is so much fun. It's a group of people if you guys have not been a part of this party, you gotta get onto it. They throw amazing street parties with big huge speakers. They just rock up into the middle of the city and all of a sudden the world is dancing around them. It's epic. And on the family side, Kyle has four children and another one on the way another one has arrived another one we're announcing and by the time you guys actually hear this recording, he will live in that state. So congrats to you on that one. Kyle. And ah, he's in in California. Ah, he is also the son of it fried fried camper. Yeah, read Kemper. I want to make sure I said that right. And Margaret Trudeau and is the half brother of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. He has two great books out called the Unified wallet unblocking a digital Golden Age and wasn't the one this new one. Canada, this is what we're gonna talk about today, Canada, how we return power to the people. So without further ado, Kyle. Kerry, what intro. What an intro. Absolute pleasure to be here. And, you know, apologies for being a little bit late. And I know we're going to be under a little bit of a time pressure here but we're gonna make the most of every minute We have we, let's dive into, you know, some, some layers of this grid layers of this, this the thing that I was reading your book today, the Canada one, and yesterday and today and one of the sentences that came out, and I thought it'd be a really great way to start this, you set the sentence that we are in an illusion of democracy, and we are at the bottom of the pyramid.  And I thought, this is such a fascinating way to start this conversation, because as much as we can, we're going to drive into to dive into Dows, and what all of this means and how this new new government and governance can come through for us, I think it's really important that we start to explain what's so messed up about it in the first place.

 

Kyle Kemper 

Great, yeah. So I mean, we are living in a very, like, the existing models of government and governance are hierarchical. And this is the same with like, you know, the, really a product of kind of the industrial revolution, of very hierarchical domination, kind of Oregon, or, or structured organizations. And this was an illusion, that was an example I was given to me by one of my university professors who didn't last very long with the university. And he wasn't, I don't know, it was just meant to the universe had it that I was able to be blessed by him, and he kind of came at, you know, to the class, and on the very first day explained, like, you know, a pyramid system and how that US students are at the bottom of the pyramid. Next to basically, you know, the janitors, the cleaning staff within the hierarchy of the University of this higher education, and all the way up, and teachers are represent a certain level, and then above it, it's like the deans, but then there's also like, you know, a small, controlling group above it. And, you know, while people think that there's a lot of kind of power within the students, but there really isn't, and this applies to governments as well. And many people are on this, this, this impression that, you know, we elect the top of the pyramid. But the reality is, we don't, and that the voters are at the bottom of this pyramid. And they're the, there's this belief that they're electing the top of it, but really, they're, they're voting on middle level managers within a global hierarchical pyramid of control. You know, our political leaders are, let's say, more like spokespeople, and a lot of them are actors, too. You know, I think we've got to really, like, you know, my brother Justin was, was an actor, and like, you know, for example, that this this, Voldemort's Lenski, he is also a, he was also an actor, and, you know, it's amazing how a lot of these kind of you know, these leaders within the world are, you know, have a real background in acting. And they read a lot of scripts, but, but the thing about being an actor or like, you know, a spokesperson is you take orders from above, and this this reflects into this pyramidal structure. And so, you know, above the, these, you know, this, these leaders are, you know, the investors, like, you know, the donors, and then higher groups, which represent, you know, non governmental organizations, and secret societies and interests. Yeah, global find, like, you know, above it, you've got, like, you know, World Economic Forum, which is really an organizing group. It's, it's not, it's not in itself, like, you know, this super powerful organized structure, but it's, it's, it's a, it's a group of the corporatocracy, as I'll say, and then above the corporatocracy basically, like, the very top, I would say, are the central bankers. And, you know, and the, and, and, you know, those around them, the heads of industries, Bilderberg is a good example of a group that doesn't get any highlight, but it is, you know, one of the main organizing groups. Yeah, so and we don't elect those guys. We have no, no say whatsoever in that. And there's this illusion of democracy where we go to the polls every one to four years. In Canada, we make one checkmark on a ballot. I think in the last election, there's like one option, but I think a couple of years ago, there was also like, should we legalize cannabis in Canada and that was like, you know, big referendum. There is place there's, there's there's procedures for referendums that give people some vote on things but they don't really happen in Canada all that much. And there aren't any really good issues that ever being voted on referendum style.  But we go on to make this mark, like, you know, putting voting for a person that is part of a party, and if they do you vote by party in Canada and Australia About by party, that's what we did. Yeah, in Canada, in Canada by a person who's a representative of the party, the leader of the party, that wins the election becomes the prime minister in Canada. So Justin is the leader of the Liberal Party. And they have a, you know, they want a minority government, and the largest share of the seats, they didn't win the largest share of the popular vote. But they won the largest number of seats. And as a result, he became the Prime Minister. And, you know, and then with, in, like this power of government, they then have, you know, a lot of control, like well beyond kind of what is intended based on the tenets of democracy. You know, and then, you know, we've seen them pushing a lot of policies that are coming from, you know, lobbyists, corporatocracy foreign interests, media, towards, like, you know, catering to this kind of BS narrative. And there's no, there's no accountability, there's, like, you know, they can think about these politicians is they can run on all sorts of platitudes and make all sorts of promises. But when they come into power, there's nothing to hold them accountable. And, you know, we, we saw with, with the trucker freedom upon boy movement in in Ottawa, that this was the most exceptional, incredible, like, civic movement of protests, entirely peaceful, 17 days in Ottawa, millions of people through it, this crime was down by like, 90%, in the city of super clean cleaning up after themselves. Dancing, I vibration talks, all sorts of incredible things taking place. And, like the government, and like the political lead, and the the mainstream media just smeared it, and just attacked it, and like, instead of engaging with it, they just enraged it, and just dismiss it. And, you know, it became really clear that like, you know, like, if, if the most successful kind of protest movement in the history of Canada can't Garner an audience whatsoever, with the political establishment to talk about some of the core things are like, questions, they had doctors and nurses, and they had scientists, for neurologists, and all sorts of like, you know, amazing experts there to debate on, you know, some of the major questions that really require debate require discussion. But I would say that, you know, it's clear that that our, our poll, the political establishment, you know, these, these matrix, kind of narrative pushers, their strategy, their entire story is based on a bunch of lies and lies do not stand up to debate. So as soon as they actually engage in a debate, you the House of Cards starts crumbling. So you deny the opportunity for debate. Instead you smear you attack, you cancel, you use words like conspiracy theory, extremist, right wing, like try and draw illusions like Nazism and like, you know, and fascism they call, they call like, the protesters fascist, which is just bananas, because it's, it's all like a matter of projection. These guys are the fascists. They're a firm, like, you know, secret alliance between the state and the corporation to enact, you know, their will not the people's well. And when the people stand up, they're like, they, they're disregarded and they're trivialized. And you know, the words that were being thrown against them are just terrible. So it was evident when that all happens. What do you do? Think, you know, this is this is like, what, what can you do is like, Oh, they say, we had a democratic election, like BS, you mean came out here and you made one checkmark on a on a on a ballot. And you've you've got a whole bunch of voters that are like, you know, have no idea what they're voting on. They don't there's none of the issues, the politicians who are actually voting in the House of Commons, they're not experts on any of the things they're voting in their expert politicians for the most part.

 

Keri Norley 

So it's like taking experts at taking money in bribes and indeed.

 

Kyle Kemper 

And like creating more rules which require more government and require more spending of, you know, individual and national.

 

Keri Norley 

Well, speaking, when you go here, I have a question to take you into in this in this little spot here. Taxes. You made a comment about it as you're coming into government money here, right? You said taxes are cool. collected and utilized as a mode of enslavement and domination of the people. It was like, oh, go further, because you were just like hanging. So just go further into that.

 

Kyle Kemper 

Yeah, no, exactly. It's like, look, income tax, it's, it's, it's slavery, it is it is a liability placed on every individual tomorrow based on, you know, their earning of today, it's this notion that as you earn, you should be forfeiting a portion of this towards the state income tax was brought in as an emergency war measure, both in Canada and the United States. And it was never repealed, because it was recognized that, hey, this is a great tool for control and domination. And it basically, you know, puts fear in, you know, and into the people and, and also demands them to, you know, fill out this statement and make this declaration of how much you know, they've earned and then yield up a portion of it. And, you know, for the everyman, it's really punishing, but for the, you know, the really wealthy elite, you know, there's the textbook is this thick, and it's, you know, and it's, it's so thick, that it creates all sorts of loopholes. So if you can hire, you know, if you can hire experts, you can negotiate it really, you know, effectively to basically minimize your, you know, your exposure to it by using professionals to navigate this crazy system. But for the every person, it's just the, it's just a means of, of, of dominating you, and also putting liability and stress on you and turning spring into tax season, as opposed to the season of fertility. And, you know, and birth and, and, like rejoice and celebration that we've just conquered winter and survived, survived the winter, which, you know, is kind of an ancient kind of tradition. So, and I, you know, I would posit that there are much better ways to do that, it's like, recognizing, yes, there needs to be revenue sources. But, you know, one of the one of, you know, a lot of great economists have made the made, like very pointed studies and papers and arguments that a consumption tax is far superior, you know, like a flat tax, if you will, on all consumption on imports on exports, which kind of runs antithetical to, you know, the corporatocracy these free trade agreements, which will enable wealth extraction from nations to benefit the corporations and benefits show shareholders and profit driven corporations. And also, like, the way that the current kind of sales taxes work, and actually just puts liability on businesses to act as tax collectors. Whereas with now, we have digital money, and, you know, we're in this digitized system, be very easy to, to enable, basically, like, you know, a public coffer, where, you know, if you're at the, if you're at the restaurant, or the business, and you make a spend, money just instantly goes in towards the public coffer, and it's like, you know, it happens at the time of transaction, and there's no liability put on the business, and there's no liability put on the individual to, like, you know, to do anything more, it's like, you know, how can we enable more freedom of this, and I believe that, you know, if we crunched the numbers and looked at this, and, you know, did some good modeling, you know, we can show that if people are, are unencumbered by, you know, income tax, and this filing requirements to just earn as much as they can and not worry about it, it will stem a lot of offshoring of money, a lot of capital flows, like leaving leaving the country, it will enable more investment within our within our borders, and within our communities.

 

Keri Norley 

And it will just encourage people to like, you know, just to, to generate wealth, isn't it interesting, like I think about, if I didn't have to pay taxes, then I could choose like, you know, it could be like a requirement that we have to choose to put our money 20% of something, whatever to to a cause that's important. So I choose to give to my child school, I choose to give to, you know, whatever, the healthcare system, and I'm it's a health care system. Right, that works for me, not not the sick care system that I don't participate in. Exactly right. So what would you actually use?

 

Kyle Kemper 

 If you have a car, like, you know, should you be if you don't have a car, like, you know, should you be participating a lot as well. I mean, a lot of the transport systems rely on that. So maybe that's a fair point. But like, you know, there's there there, there are a bunch of, you know, opportunities for that. And I think with transparency as opposed to just, you know, having, you know, these just giant slush funds, and also there's no, like, you know, we're in this era right now, where the government is creating like, you know, multiples, oops, is creating multiple, like, you know, they're issuing multiple amounts of new money compared to revenues, really, they're just running running huge deficits.

 

Keri Norley 

So it's like, what crazy ways to claim taxes. If you could go out eight trillion dollars of debt and money in this last in, you know, over a third of our entire debt in the last year. It's insane.

 

 

And then what's the point? What's the point it is it is just purely about domination. And like, you know, and it's and it's all about, like, you know, wealth transfers because all that money that was created it goes, it generally goes to the people like closest the central bank and like, you know, it goes corporatocracy doesn't go to the people like that, that, like 6 trillion that the states have spent the last two years, like, you know, that wasn't 350 million divided by 6 trillion equals checks for everybody. No, that was like, you know, Secret of super profitable, like, you know, deals, bribes, all sorts of nonsense, there's no accountability, and there's no transparency within the systems. So, you know, that's, you know, there's, there's a bunch of different kind of topics to get in into around this, when we look at, you know, how can government and governance systems be improved, you know, governments could be only improved by just implementing blockchain into you know, the accounting of it, making sure that every dollar is is like, you know, recorded in a in a ledger.

 

Keri Norley 

So can you can you, for you, can you explain is that briefly how that would work? Because it's the, to me, when I start to look at blockchain and how we use this in government and through technology, I think a lot of people get confused when they hear this because they think, right, it's really funny, we're talking about corruption in government. And yet, they think most people who, who don't understand blockchain and crypto space in this other decentralized space, think that we're the corrupt ones. Right? And there's all this laundering money and all these things happening. But the reality is, I'm like, it's as transparent as it gets, like, you can follow everything to a tee of where it is. So can you explain how this actually becomes more transparent in government versus the crushing?

 

 

Right? Well, I mean, like government, it's theoretically like, you know, the public servants, like, you know, they're there to, they're there to be stewards for, like public decision making, in theory, in practice, it's become far from that. But you know, there's just there, there, we don't know, where a lot of the money goes. And they don't even know where the money goes, that's one of the challenges like in Canada, you know, pure Pollyanna was hammering, like, you know, the government over the last couple of years, but like, where did all the money go? And they're, like, you don't even know, like, we're gonna have to, we'll, we'll, we'll look into it, but we don't have a central registry or a ledger of our own spending. So, you know, the idea is, like, you know, it doesn't even need to be like, you know, the actual dollars necessarily, on a ledger, it's just, like, let's create, like, you know, a shadow ledger, where, like, the spending, it's recorded in one place, where it's, it's like, you know, all the transfers, like, you know, there, there's a record of them. And ultimately, you know, it shouldn't be tied to the actual, like, you know, the, the dollar values as well.

 

Kyle Kemper 

You know, it should be also tied, especially in the public service, it should be tied to the decision makers who are signing off on these various, you know, transactions, so that you can have really clear kind of accountability of where the money is coming from the work where it's flowing to. Yeah, so that's, like, you know, that's the beginning. It's the just the beginning. It's just the beginning. And I think, you know, that there's, you know, there's really skilled technologists and creators and developers out there who are looking at this and addressing solutions for building these. And it's just a matter of time, but it's going to take some kind of political will as well, to say, like, you know, yeah, we need this or it's going to take, you know, demand from the public to say, Absolutely.

 

Keri Norley 

It's because the dairy, right, the Polit the politicians aren't exactly gonna say, hey, please, can you come and see how dirty my money has been? Right now, I've got to clean it up.

 

 

Well, yeah, exactly. And like, you know, and there's, at some point, it's like, you know, it's almost like, we need to, like, you know, have a great reset, sort of where it's like, okay, like, you know, moving forward now, it's like, we're gonna start accounting forward on this, like, let's, let's do this. So it's, uh, you know, transparency, accountability is the name of the game, you know, with regards to this, and, you know, maybe there's some sort of, like, you know, grace or forgiveness because, you know, I get toxic, centralised secret of corrupt system, like, it's a lot of like, you know, people will, there's a huge number of people that have been embroiled and you know, and should be held to justice for, you know, what, what's taking place, but it's going to be very difficult to do that. But I think, you know, these are some of the tenants that, you know, the next parties and the future generations and like, you know, those who want to be civically engaged, be demanding, as well. sort of as as part of government and governance systems moving forward. And so, you know, and this is where this whole idea of Okay, now, you know, how do we enable people to have more of a voice. So this is like kind of this idea of behind the Canadel.

 

Keri Norley 

 So this idea I mean this, before you even start even explaining people don't know, I will pay or I might have once or twice talks about Dows on here. So in a brief mentioning, so explain kind of how that all works before you head into what this like your next because great, yeah, so like a Dao stands for decentralized autonomous organization.

 

 

 And some of you might think that sounds like automated, yeah, there's very, some totally automated organizations, but really what it's about it's, it's about creating a transparent foundation on which a project a team or country countries of Canada, could could operate. And it's a code based foundational structure, where, you know, decisions are made, based on the will of the stakeholders, or the token holders, a lot of the existing kind of Dallas that we see are defy projects and protocols, that, you know, based on the number of tokens you hold, that equals your voting power within it. And these projects are not registered anywhere, they didn't, they didn't, many of them, some of them are, but many projects aren't registered, like, you know, they didn't register with Ontario with New York, or Florida or California, you know, they just created this, this system based on code based on, you know, smart contracts, and there and then if you have the tokens, you can participate in the votes, and there's varying degrees towards how kind of automated it can all be. But you know, and in the case of a lot of these finance projects, it's based on the number of tokens, you have the amount of votes you have, but if you like, you know, think about it from a civic point of view, it's like, well, should one person based on the amount of money they have, have more votes another person, but probably not, you'd probably want more of a civic Dao where it's like, let's say every person has one vote, you know, as an easy example, so imagine, every Canadian had one had, like, you know, basically an NF T, or one token, that was the Canada voting token. And based on having that token, you could then vote on all the different, like, you know, proposals that are coming out, this enables what's called like a direct democracy. So, you know, in when you if you had the existing the existing kind of system of government government, but you open it up to the people to be able to vote on things, it's like every single vote that, you know, Congress or the Senate, or, like, you know, what sort of Kenyan Parliament saw, you know, the people could actually vote on it. You know, and I think that would enable much more kind of, you know, reflective of the people's will versus the political well, because the parties just vote for themselves, they don't give a damn about the can their constituents anymore. So if you can enable people to vote on issues directly, this is what's called direct democracy. And there's a term called Liquid democracy, which adds a layer of delegation to it as well. So if I trust you carry, I could delegate my vote to you, and other people could delegate votes to you. And then, you know, you could be like, you know, a super voter and basically become a steward of people's votes, and you could signal that you're gonna vote this way or that way. And, you know, and also, in addition to the votes, there can be discussions around the votes to and there can be, you know, town halls on specific issues and bringing in experts to have, you know, more of an open debate, as opposed to like, you know, political parties debating, you know, yea or nay based on like, you know, their own talking points.

 

Keri Norley 

Yeah, like blindly is blindly you know it's so it's so interesting, even as you say that, like I think blindly like we're trusting them and have no idea what they're even voting on first of all, and number two, like so many like right now even as we talk about blockchain, Bitcoin, all these things that are coming into government policy, we have so many people sitting in policy seats that have no idea how this works. So the adoption and the regulations that are coming through are ridiculous. Like some of them are insanity. They don't even make logical sense. Because it like you couldn't, it doesn't it just doesn't work because they don't understand the actual what this is going on. And so I agree with you, it's like, why are we not bringing this to the people and when you start to talk about, I get so excited about what you are creating, because it truly is the way to bring governance to the people. And I love the thing about Dows is like, I imagine a world where we're going to have a Canada, and we might have a US now whatever it is, but like even amongst all of it, it's becomes like we can become completely borderless too. And like we're gonna have, it's like you and I might be like, Okay, we want to be part of some crypto Dow or some financial down. So that's going to be this group that we choose to be with, right. And then some other group and I see it like you might have your community that you're living in with permaculture and farming and all these things. And the way that you come together with your 100 houses or your 20 houses is you have a doubt together and you will make votes and then you don't have to know that it was your neighbor that voted against you. Right, like it's totally anonymous. And so you have and and of course, we can still have all of these, you know, beautiful town halls that we come together and we have these conversations and, and all that kind of stuff. But like all of a sudden you're fully anonymous in the way that we vote and in the togetherness of what happens. And I think there's something really beautiful as we start to look at this in a you know, all of society creating all these different experiences of the ways that we come together in community.

 

 

Absolutely. And yeah, they're they can be anonymous, they can also be like, you know, public to which also like, you know, is another a lot of the a lot of the dollars that operate right now are really public and beautiful. Thank you know, when you're not hiding behind anonymity, like, you know, there's certain like, Yes, right. Integrity, yes, acquired within hope that you get to hold. Yeah, and it's okay to like, you know, not vote for something and also like, you know, standing up and yeah, and, and then the great thing about Dows, too, is like, you know, they can feed into each other. So, like this dow emergent Dow landscape isn't about, like, Dow is out competing each other, it's like out cooperating each other. And all organizations and this is like, you know, where I like to believe that we're in this age shift right now in the systems of yesterday won't pour it into tomorrow. And that, but Dallas represent this new, a new form of project community, like, you know, society, organization and governance and decision making in transparent ways. And, you know, you can associate your different kind of, like, you know, payment flows and decision making within them in a very transparent and engaged manner. You know, the idea behind, you know, technology from a purpose point of view, it shouldn't be making our lives more complicated, shouldn't be adding more stressed. It should be really kind of, like, you know, easy to the point where, you know, she'd be like, effectively, like, you know, voting should be like, you know, participating like using Tinder, like, you know, almost left, right, but, but, but also with a little bit of information, too. Like, if you don't have any idea what you're voting on, like, you probably shouldn't be voting, because I feel like you know, there may be like just a basic thing, you know, quiz in order to vote about that you at least understand the concept of what it is.

 

Keri Norley 

That's so interesting, because in Australia, it's mandatory voting. So I lived in Australia for 15 years, and it's mandatory voting, you get it, you get fined. It's like 70 or 80 bucks or something. If you don't vote in The regular elections. And so every year, people rock up to the elections and most people have no idea what we're voting for. And because it's not like televised like America is televised, you don't turn on your TV. And then there's, you know, three years running frickin things happening, right? You're just kind of like, you got to go look for it. You see, I'm like, Okay, what do I want to decide? But so often people walk up, and they're like, I have no idea who I'm voting for. And then you've got different political parties there. And they're all like, come to mind come, do you mind vote for this person, here's their rights, here's a pamphlet, and then they go five minutes later, we make a decision. Now, like, yeah, it's not, like, it's interesting, because it gets people to get out and vote, but at the same time, you have so many people out voting, that are so uneducated to be able to vote, that it doesn't bring the decision to an equal decision, either, because you have people who are voting, and they have no idea what they just voted for.

 

Kyle Kemper 

Right? Like, opens the door for, like, you know, that means the more effective, like, you know, a mainstream kind of programming message is, you know, the easier it will be for, you know, that proposal or person to, you know, to come in to power. And again, when you have like, these long intervals, whereas if you enabled people to be voting more, more frequently on specific issues, I think you'd have a lot more informed voting, and also people who like care about the issues actually voting on them. And having and having kind of debates specifically on the issues, which I think is better, because I think like a lot of people have, like, you know, they don't, they're just checked out. Like, it's fine, like, you know, leave, leave it to those who really want to be civically engaged and part of the discussion to, you know, to be it, like my grandfather, who's 101 years old, like, you know, bless his soul, he's just gonna vote for the party, he always votes for, you have no idea like, you know, they can be complete, you know, fascistic maniacs, like committing genocide, but it's voted them from zero life, so just keep voting for them. And, but if he was actually like, voting on the specific ideas, and was, like, you know, given a little bit of the background and both sides of the story, you know, I think there would be a different output, as opposed to, like, you know, I'm just gonna vote for a color here. It's like, you know, the, the voting system has become like, you know, so juvenile and so, so basic, that it is no longer serves, it's not democracy quarterly sprint, it's, we're living in a fascist world right now.

 

Keri Norley 

So I have Okay, to bring this back to where we started actually have a question. Because in the book, too, you said something about the removing the influence of Dows are able to remove the influence of multinational powers from the top of the decision making pyramid and put people back in charge. And I think it's a really great way to start to round this up, because it's what we started it right, like, this is, this is what's going on, but here's a solution. So how does that actually work? To to bring this back to the people versus because don't those people who have the most money still gonna want to try and control us even with these towers?

 

Kyle Kemper 

Well, right, and, and like, you know, and if, and if they What about the, you know, can people be buying their votes, like, you know, and also about, like, what about, like, you know, tyranny of the majority as a concept to if, like, you know, if everybody voted, say, like, Okay, we want like, an extreme example, like, you know, let's put every unvaccinated person like, you know, on a train to the Arctic and drop them off, put a bullet in their head. And it's like, you know, if everybody voted for that, it's like, oh, are the majority voted for that? It's like, you know, that's, that's like, you know, illegal and that like, you know, violates, like basic rights. So, you know, you need to have the Constitution, or a charter, or, like, you know, some basic, you know, fundamental agreements that supersede the will of the people and Americans to constitution and candidates Charter of Rights and freedom, like those are, those are there and these need to be, like, held and held and, you know, and protected and defended and enforced. And in Canada they've stopped it they've been crazy in America the same thing same thing.

 

Keri Norley 

I mean, that's a whole other interview that we could have Kyle is talking about how people think that they have their rights but if you actually go read your rights from your government whether it's Canada America I'm sure Australia all the different become governments right now go actually read your rights you are being they were being taken from you every single day and he really doesn't even have a charter to really bananas.

 

 

So it's you know, those these are like you know, this these are these these and like that constitution should be something that everybody can be on board with because it is there to protect the individuals they're

 

Keri Norley 

not the government just to be clear about the government is there to protect us not not the government

 

Kyle Kemper 

Yeah, we're in all we need to protect the government's like, you know, the government is a tool of of for for a C functioning society, but it is turned into this dumb Reading factor and it's become its own arm, and it's become of the government, by the government for the government, as opposed to other people, by the people and for the people. So, you know, when this takes place, it's like, you know, we now are in this position where we need a, you know, a new kind of, you know, independence movement, where it's like, okay, we need to, you know, I feel like Ron Paul was, like, you know, a real catalyst for this in America A while ago, you know, but reducing government, and I think it's time for us to have a strategic discussion and reflections on what the purpose of government is, what the ideal outcome of it is. And, you know, how can we start, like putting out the challenges for building this and getting, you know, civic populist, like support behind it, because honestly, the people are so powerful and have so much in like, ingenuity, and, and innovative potential and inventive potential, to be able to create solutions that if tasked with it, and there was a, you know, if they're included within the discussion, because they ultimately are stakeholders within it, that we can start, like designing and implementing new systems. So, you know, I'm a big believer in like, you know, like, criticize by creating, like, you know, and recognize that, you know, don't you can't fix the existing system by fighting it. Like, we need to build new systems that make the existing one obsolete. Yeah. So like, right now, it's like, you know, let's start looking at parallel economies. How, like, you know, do we just stop giving so much attention, like, you know, turn off, like, cancel your TV subscription, turn off the mainstream media block those sites, like, don't visit google news anymore? Like, you know, just start removing your power from that look at alternative platforms? I don't here in San Diego, I'm part of a group called public square that's doing like a, a, a marketplace for like, you know, conscious businesses, a community section for free speech and debate, and also a fountain for civic engagement, like, you know, telling you who all the different representatives that, you know, you that are supposed to be serving you are, and, you know, ideally, helping to bridge towards getting individuals more civically engaged within society, because, you know, it's become a very, I don't know, like, bilateral relationship between the individual and the government, as opposed to like, individuals and communities working together, instead of like, you know, seeking approval from, you know, this, this government body.

 

Keri Norley 

Totally. Okay, I have two more questions that I want to ask before we wrap this up. So we're gonna do quickfire questions? Why are we were so one of the things that I love about you, and I love about your ethos. And this is, I think, such a beautiful experience, when we start to look at how we can create what you and I may call the new earth and new governments, these new experiences I call the new wealth in my you know, my book, in my experience of the money, financial systems, as we look to create this new governance and this new experience on this planet. One of the thing that I think is one of your pillars is love. And I think it's something that has been so left out of community in the bigger picture, right, the bigger macro picture and government and the way that we run this world, the way that we show up for each other, and one of the things I have thought for the last, probably 16 years ago, when I started learning NLP was if we all took responsibility for ourselves, then there would be no war. Because if I don't blame you for the problem, then there's no reason to be fighting. Right. And so that comes back to like, for me this big grand picture of we could actually have peace on this planet. But I think peace comes from love loving ourselves, loving others. And so I'm really curious to hear from you. Because it's not often that we see people coming into this political realm, which I think is what you actually are doing, right? I'm just on the decentralized side of this political realm. Saying, let's do love. So where do you see this fitting into this?

 

Kyle Kemper 

Yeah, love and spirit to, ya know, and I feel like spirit has been really, you know, attacked, and it's the one thing that they can't, like, you know, can't take from you they can't take from you. But they're trying they're coming after you with with particular objections to going after the god gene. But that's another that's another topic. But ultimately, like love is, you know, is the solution recognizing that fear is really the only enemy and anybody using fear to influence you and like you know, to to do have you think or believe a certain will away? You know, is acting is like, you know, a deceiver, and is, you know, working for, let's say, the night side of the dark side, and there's definitely like a bunch of like, man, there's a lot of evil out there in the world. And there are people who have, you know, evil agendas and are nefarious, and like, you know, and lie and cheat and deceive. and like, you know, want chaos. And then but there's a lot of lightworkers out there who are, you know, aiming to heal and unify? You know, this is why I believe like, you know, this identity politics becomes such a big thing is they're just trying to like, you know, Silo everybody into these groups. So it's like, you know, you can't recognize, like, you know, hard the, like, you know, the being soul on the other line, you instantly dive to, you know, this one of a myriad of different issues that you can find some point of argument and social media has become such like a hotbed for, for arguments and for like picking sides and flame war, gaslighting, and all it's crap. So, you know, but I think like, you know, at the core, there's a lot of healing that needs to go down. And like, you know, I believe, like, how opponent pono there's like, this Hawaiian healing ritual. Like, ma'am, you can say to yourself, and you can say to others, and so it's, it goes, I'm sorry, please forgive me, I'm thankful, and I love you, and yourself and others, we can start healing and recognizing that differences of opinion is cool. And respecting everybody's ability to earn the rights to those differences of opinions is great. You know, I think, you know, we've become programmed this matrix or a lot, many people have been programmed in this matrix view, where it's like, you know, the safety of the collective, Trump's the, you know, individual autonomy and freewill of the individual. And that really is really dangerous thinking, because that gets weaponized against people. And, you know, just think of yourself like, you know, do you want to have, like, you know, like, safety, like, above all else, because if you think about, like, you know, think about a lion in a zoo, like, you know, it has shelter, it has food, and it has everything taken care of, for it, like, you know, it's it's, it's free health care, that's great. But it has no freedom. It's like, you know, versus a lion in the wild. And I think, you know, most people when they kind of realized that, it's like, oh, yeah, safety above everything else, like, you know, at the at the cost of freedom is going to lead us to all being caged animals. And so let's be really, really conscious of that, and just recognize that fear and try and like, you know, like, you know, purge fear from your life. That doesn't mean being like, you know, unconscious danger, because there's a big difference between fear and danger, clear and present dangers, do someone's trying to come after you with an injection, and then they're trying to force it into your body. And it's an experimental, untested, like, you know, serum, whatever it might be, and it's being branded as safety. And they're using fear as the means to, to to allow you and they're trying to force and coerce you. Like that's a danger like I recognize that they I have identified that as a danger, I have children and I am not and I and as as the Father and as the male in the family and the you know, the leader of my pack, I have recognized danger and I not succeed to this danger I accept this danger into into my body or my life, and I will stand up against and I recommend this isn't coming out of fear about it. This is more than about the fear of a virus I interface with that we've got a divine vessels that are our bodies that can take care of themselves, but I'm very suspicious of big money and big interests and you know, prophesized and planted messaging around you know, mass injections and and human modifications. So, you haven't be beware beware of those mic, you know, and there should be no topic that can't be debated. Because truth invites debate stands up to debate, it's important that there's debate lies require censorship. So anybody who's out there talking about we're living in a post truth world are actively my opinion are actively pushing like, you know, this, this lie based narrative where it's like, you know, certain topics just can't be debated. And you know, we've seen this a lot 911 couldn't talk about it. He was like, you know, global warming can't talk about climate change now can't can't talk about it the debate is over like the Federal Reserve income tax and came talking about it you don't talk about those things like you know, no, we must talk about these we must have open decision and if you stand and you support it you stand and you support and you open up to debate around this you don't get to just read lines and issue inflammatory tweets and you know, I'm brain belittle and smear and canceled people. That's, that's, that's, that's madness. So you know, it's time for us to stand up to hold our elected officials accountable to become civically engaged in any way shape or form that we can within our own capacities. And, you know, and to to to recognize the the the beating hearts on the other side of everybody.

 

Keri Norley 

That's me clapping for those listening. Yes, oh, Aha, whoa, yes to that. So I'm with you all the way. So the last question and I know I'm like I'm already over late, but I got to ask the question, because it's such a perfect follow up to this. So your talks about love and how we can because I think what you will you must endure when asked this question, right? It's such a beautiful piece of like, how we can come together and division? How do you is it happen? You and Justin sitting down at a table with completely polar opposite opinions that you couldn't come together and be in the same space together like that? What does it like? What does it like for you guys?

 

Kyle Kemper 

Well, I mean, we're not at the same table right now. He is He is in his own prison. He doesn't have the ability to engage. He's, you know, he is as a security guard and an apparatus around him that prevents him from you know, being touched by the outside or engaging in the outside everything that he's saying is, you know, and I, but I would, I would, I would welcome it. But again, it's, we have to have open debate, because like, you know, what, the thing that a lot of these people, like, you know, they do is they plug their ears, and they run away from the questions. And they dismiss, they use words like conspiracy theory, or extreme is raid or Trump, or this or that, it's like bullshit. Like, no, let's talk about these things. Let's understand these things. Where did the money go? Right? Where did the money go? Why aren't like the will of the people? Why will we listen? Like, will they, you know, what about the children? What about the learning? What about, like, you know, our health and safety? What about all these children who are having heart conditions right now? And it's like, all for the safe safety. Like, you know, it's this weird, bizarre projection. And it's like, you know, so, you know, I would, I would welcome you know, an opportunity to have an open discussion with, you know, Justin are around these, these these topics. But, you know, this is this is there, it's, you know, when we talk about radical inclusivity, it's like, okay, like, you know, welcome at the table, but we also have to stand in and integrity and be and be willing to, like, you know, answer and be held accountable. You can rely on centralization, and censorship, you know, to keep everything on on narrative. This is why it's so important that, you know, that the people start, like creating their own media, just like we're doing here, and creating, you know, a counter to the existing mainstream because, like you said, Before, you can't fix the system, we're never gonna fix the mainstream media, like, you know, super corporatocracy messaging matrix machine. Like, you know, the solution is, like, basically, you know, people like seeking other sources and just remove it and turning off attention from it, and coming together, like, in real life, and, you know, recognizing the power of community and recognizing, why are you living where you are? How can you, you know, peacefully, and, like, you know, effectively engage in building and being part of regenerative new economies and parallel systems, as opposed to expending a bunch of your energy trying to fight this existing system. And I think, you know, that starts with, like, just not giving them your energy. You know, like, literally, a piece of mail might show up just totally, not engaging, like torture agreements and focusing on weaker, you know, how can we how can, how can we properly in engage with this and, and also, like, the note on the money side, like, you know, we talked a lot about crypto and it's, like, you know, look at, like, removing the banking, the financial infrastructure is, is the underpinning of all this madness. So, like, removed your power from that system, make sure you use it for maybe some credit, debt, but ultimately, like, you know, start looking to let you know, more kind of conscious kind of capitalism and, and also, you know, savings is one thing but like just stacking a bunch of crypto and holding it never doing anything with it, like, you know, what happens if you pass tomorrow and like, you don't have your seeds backed up, like, you know, that's a missed opportunity to utilize, you know, one form of wealth to create another form of wealth. And so look, you know, land where you're living your security, water security, food security, you know, growing How can you work as work with your neighbors and your as your collective towards, like, reducing the risk factors and the the danger, like, you know, the global supply chain is a danger. Like when all of our food comes from the massive corpse and we have no transparency into the quality of the whole the whole line. That's a danger. You don't know what's going into that food you don't know What's coming from this, too, and we're so dependent on it. So anyways, that we can do that, like engage with your local market gauges at your local farmers support your local business and support your local farmers stop supporting and giving your energy to the massive corpse. Even if it's 10% less well, it's like, you know, at the end of the day, it's costing a lot more by actually, you know, supporting, supporting those groups.

 

Keri Norley 

Kyle, I could sit and talk to you, and I'm sure we're gonna have to have another amazing conversation at some point in the future. I could talk to you for hours and hours and hours, but I have to get my children. So we're gonna wrap this up. Before we do though, please tell people how they can get involved with us how they can support you how they can get involved in Canada know how they can follow you all the things.

 

Kyle Kemper 

Great. And yeah, and I'll just preface to like Canada like the booklet it's a short booklet it's on Amazon it's called kandara it's also on YouTube if you check them just Google Kyle camper on there you'll find my channel I did a short read free recording it's like a 32 minute audio book it's short. But this is really it's it's I'm not saying I have the solution or I'm building the solution or all the trust must be placed in me to do this. This is trying to cast this spell and create awareness because the more people that understand this concept, the more likely it will be that someone's building it and people are already building it so it's you know how can like act as a catalyst for this? A Kyle Kemper on Twitter, I've on Patreon front slash Kyle Kemper cannon dow.org is the website that we have built with that it's an iterative, I would love to say that like, you know, we're making massive like you know, smashing through incredible progress but it's everything takes takes time. You know, and it's, you know, just keep keep one foot in front of the other but they're definitely looking for engagement. There's a discord if you want to pop in there and discuss things but like, also just like, you know, look at these and, and then don't need to, like if you really feel drawn to like, you know, reach out and connect with me, please do. But there's no obligation or expectation for you to do any of that. Like go forth in your own life and be the best that you can be. And like you know, focus on yourself and your family and your community. And like you know your health and wealth and like assuring that you have both now and then look at these systems and yeah, sure, definitely follow along and keep listening and carry and like yeah, let's let's, let's let's just keep going forward, you know, walking in the light, being truthful, fearless, gentle interactions and following the Four Agreements of being impeccable with our words, not taking things personally. making too many assumptions and just doing the best and doing our best and everything we do. We live with no regrets.

 

Keri Norley 

Beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you such a beautiful way so much Carrie, I have loved this conversation. You are in

 

Kyle Kemper 

Moscow, your your your your your overdue.

 

Keri Norley 

But have a wonderful day and blessings on this beautiful new little blessing in your life as well. Enjoy these beautiful moments at the beginning. They're so delicious.

 

Kyle Kemper 

Certainly our love to you.

 

Keri Norley 

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