Practical intuition for Decision Making

Keri Norley  00:03

Hello and welcome to the wealth Alchemist podcast. My name is Keri Norley. I am the host of the show. And today I have this beautiful beautiful goddess of a woman Shanna French with me on the call. And, excuse me, her goal is to cultivate wildly successful leaders through the practical power of intuition. As the founder of simple spirit, a keynote speaker and coach to NFL leaders, Broadway and television stars, million and billion dollar business founders, CEOs and business professionals, Shanna French generates unpredictable and profound results for leaders who are looking to develop a deeper connection to their purpose. I love that shot and I have actually met you guys have been listening, you'll know there is a call on here with Megan concert from the dames Sean and I actually met in the dames she is this beautiful, light gorgeous being I love having conversations with her. And I'm super excited to drop into the conversation around intuition today. So welcome to the show, Shoshana.

Shoshana French  01:03

Thank you, I'm super excited to have this I love this is obviously my absolute favorite thing to talk about in general. And when you and I met, we talked about it and just off the cuff had a good time. So this is fun that we're going to be capturing this conversation we're having and other people can kind of listen, because we know it's gonna be really fun.

Keri Norley  01:22

You know, what's so fun about this show, I found is like, I love the fact that I just meet really cool people in my walk of life. And I love having these conversations. And like, these are my pretty normal conversations, anyone who's watching my podcast, I'll just say they're pretty normal conversations for me to have. And I love that I just get to bring them to the world. Because when we start to like, raise our vibration and shift into a new way of thinking and being in the world, it is a new conversation to be had. And I love that we get to bring these conversations to people who might not already understand it. And intuition is something for me specifically where I can definitely say for years, and I'm sure you could agree that I have lived I mean about your life as well, that I have lived my life guided by my intuition for as long as I can remember, and most people will look at me like you are an absolute nut case for some of the stuff that I do. And intuition can be such a

Shoshana French  02:14

it can be tricky. It can be tricky,

Keri Norley  02:17

right? Like in the fact that like it can ask us to do things that we don't want to do that are not easy, that they're like, oh my god, that scares me. But we do them anyway. Right. And I think this is the beautiful thing about intuition is that when you learn to use it, and you learn to trust it, that even when those scary, hairy moments come in our lives, that it's like, you're going to go and pack up your house and you're going to move overseas and you didn't even know you were going to do that, Keri, you're like, Okay, I guess is where you're gonna go to, okay, I guess I am. But if you learn to trust it, and you learn to do this enough, then when those moments come, you go, I trust, I trust, and the thing that I would love to drop into it, because one of the things that she talks about his intuitive decision making and practical intuition. And I love that because a lot of people think intuition is a woowoo thing that like, you know, it's so it's for some people, not for everybody, or it's for some decisions, but it's not for everything. And so I love that you talk about this in a practical way. So I'd love for you to open up like which part of this where would you like to go? How it's practical, how you go into decision making with it, you can go where do you where do you want to start my love?

Shoshana French  03:27

Well, so I want to define so that the people listening get what I mean, when I'm talking about intuition. perfectos people talk about it in such diverse ways. This is my definition. So intuition is a direct way of knowing, understanding or a sense about something that doesn't require processing data first. That's intuition. So for me, what I distinguish is the difference between data driven decision making and intuitive decision making. And what I mean by that is data driven decision making is oriented towards, you know, seeing a problem that you can see, because you're looking at data, whether data is numbers on a paper numbers in an account or data like a data point, like oh, there is clearly miscommunication in my team at work, that that's a problem, right? And now we need to fix it. And we're going to find a solution for that. That's data driven decision making. intuitive decision making is not about fixing something it is about being aware of and curious and creating something new. And so that's sometimes I think, why people relate to intuition as something you said were true. And I say that what I also say is some people just think that intuition seems really mysterious and magical, and tricky, and it's in my experience, it's not any of those things it once you know how it works, you can apply it to decision making. So that that for me just in the world of definition in our power to lead our conversation perfect. Got that I think is important, like, I'm all about AI not about getting rid of data data is useful helpful. It has its place. And so when I teach people to or train people to trust their intuition and become intuitive decision makers, it doesn't mean it replaces the data driven decision making they make, like, you should keep doing that. But we are trained to be only to data driven decision makers. So it doesn't, it doesn't leave

Keri Norley  05:27

a person, it's the person who's like I got, I'm gonna go and move and we got the spreadsheet. And this is the stuff that I like, and this is the stuff that I don't like. And if it doesn't meet each of these boxes on each of these things, and it can't possibly be, and yet somehow you walk into a house and you put that sheet to the side, and you walk into a house and you're like, Oh, my God, this feels amazing. And then from there, you can go does it take the boxes, if you even have to go that far? Right. And I think so much like, it's interesting, because I talk about this with investing to when, when people often will come in to the world of investing, and like, so many people will go through the intuition, right, like, yes, we can do things intuitively. Yes, this feels like the right place to go. Then do your due diligence, right? Like, before you go and put your money somewhere, you can still go okay, well, Is this legit? Does this have like the right backing behind it? Does this? Or is this some complete utter scam? Like? Sure, follow your intuition. And then you can also still do, right? It's not it's not an either or, and sometimes, sometimes, right? Or even like, for example, I said, my intuition said, this was five years ago, five and a half years ago, my intuition told me, actually would have been six years ago now. My intuition said to me, it was time to go for a trip overseas when I was living in Sydney. And it was like, you really need to, like it was guiding me like on this long term trip overseas for a few months to go and do these things. And I was like, No way shut off. That's too hard. That's too scary. What are you talking about? I don't have the money, blah, blah, blah, all that noise, right? This is what can happen when we first had those intuitive thoughts, right? And the in the ego comes in, and then was like, okay, Kerry, let's get practical about this right intuition, because I couldn't let it go. And it's usually when it keeps coming, right? Keep saying keeps knocking, keeps talking keeps talking. And I'm like, Okay, so let's sit down and listen to this. And at that point that I looked, do I have the money? How would I make this happen? What's it going to cost? That's it? And let's get practical. Oh, wait, I can do this. Alright, intuition. Let's go then. Right? Versus like, Oh, yes. Here's the information, let's go go buy the ticket, let's drop everything and go move. Like, you know, we can still have practical aspects to all of this as well. Well, it's

Shoshana French  07:33

sort of the difference between now your intuition is told you as communicated something, and we have free will. So you don't have to follow your intuition. It just like someone could show you data. And you could ignore the data and choose something else. I mean, that happens all the time. I know, lots of clients that I've had, who, against the advice of their advisors in their businesses decide to launch something anyway, because the data says don't do it. And they do it and it works out fine. So the I'm a, I'm a big proponent of and, I mean, I have been training and in like developing my own intuition for 27 years. So this is, while maybe prior to that I was using my intuition. It wasn't until 27 years ago that I had the words to describe this thing that have been happening my whole life. And then I went on this journey to discover, like, well, then how do you apply it? Because mostly the world I came from when I learned intuition was pretty metaphysical. So it was like intuition for spiritual development, intuition for connecting to other dimensions and connecting to beings that you can't see. And I love all that stuff. Because I'm, you know, I'm pretty blue. But I'm also incredibly practical. So when I went to try to bridge those two things, there was literally no one in the world who was bridging those things like no one. So you either you either made decisions by data and you got better at it, or you did intuitive stuff, but it was really this woowoo magical, mystical thing. So I you know, my whole like, the most important thing to me is conversations with people to have them recognize intuition is something that's there I'm not teaching you your intuition. Your intuition is already there you actually are born intuitive all of us are you watch kids they're the most intuitive of all of us. However to make it in the world almost want to say to make it in the world take today takes everything it was like that song isn't that it's a cheers oh my god totally just popped in my head. Anyway, so the in order though to make it in the world, there are certain things you have to do ways that you have to conform ways you have to be wise you have to talk ways you have to dress and and all of us go through that experience where we start to suppress who we are to fit in. And when we do that, that suppresses our intuition. because we're like dressing a particular way and going to a certain party, even though we don't want to go doesn't feel right to go, we go anyway, we let our bosses talk to a certain. I mean, like, there's a number of things that happen and all of that curbs, our natural intuition. So mostly what I'm doing when I'm training people is we take all the mystery and the magic and the woowoo out of intuition. And we talk about what, what is intuition? Like, oh, intuition is a natural way that things work. It's a friend of mine, we're talking about it, it's like, we have no question that when you put your hand on something hot that and you'll start to feel a burn, you pull your hand away, because you're like, oh, that's how the body works. There's, do I understand exactly what's happening? I mean, I've done a lot of, I love brain biology. So I understand a little bit of what's happening. But if you don't understand what's happening, you still have your hand away from the thing. You're like, Oh, wow. Right. So to me, intuition is the same. It's the way that our body and our brains designed. And once you understand how it works, so some people get a poke in the brain, like you did, like, go, go, go go on this trip, go on this trip, some of us get a feeling about things. Some of us know stuff. Some of us see things were all designed a little bit differently. But once you understand the mechanics, then it's just a matter of actually practicing applying it regularly to see what happens. And you know, you can apply it literally to every area of life. I've had clients apply it to investments, like stocks, I've had clients apply it to whether to marry someone or not. I've seen people use it to determine where to go on vacation. I had a client use it for what colors she painted her office, because she wanted like she wanted her office to feel inviting. So she was like, I don't know what color and anybody's ever looked at pink colors was like 1000, you're like, I don't know. And she was like, It's too hard. I was like, well use your intuition. So she held every paint chip. And finally, one felt right. And that's the one she chose. And she like, every time I'm on the phone with her, she's so happy. So you can literally use it for anything.

Keri Norley  12:10

Amazing. Absolutely. 100% agree. You can use it even in what we're going to eat for dinner. And you know, and I think this is I mean, like, for me, one of the things I have definitely worked with in my intuition is my food choices. For sure, right? Because so often, like you said, like we're trained out of like listening to our bodies and what we want for food. And then we're told that we have to go on to some certain diet and eat certain certain food. And in order to be this certain size, you have to do it this way. And you have to eat this many macros. And it has to be at this morning, and that morning, and that evening and this hour. And if you don't eat this much, and you eat this much exercise your box. And like I got to a point, a couple years ago, I was like I was so freakin sick of Diet Rules, that all of the rules I'm still breaking out of this. Like it's still something I'm personally working on. But like having studied nutrition for so long, and having so many different things and having a husband that's in this field and all that kind of stuff. It's like there's a quote unquote diet for everything. And then one will tell you that sugar is bad for you one was you that fats bad for you, one will tell you that, that this is bad for you, they will tell you the vegetables are bad for you one's gonna tell you that meats bad for you. Everything in the world, is there bad for you, good for you, depending on which diet you look at, right? And so if we come back to intuition, we come back to intuition. Like one of the things that I've really worked on is like, How can I let my body guide the decision? And then all of a sudden, chocolate isn't a bad thing. If you eat in moderation, it's like sometimes your body actually it's like, yes, okay, I'll have a bite to my chocolate. Do I need an entire block of chocolate? My body actually will say no, right? Nobody actually tends to say no to the entire block of chocolate. But, you know, like, but maybe it's fruit. And if I listen to the diet that says no sugar, then I wouldn't go and eat that fruit or have that smoothie or whatever. And so I think it's such a beautiful thing when we really start to trust and so I'm curious to hear because to me practical, I guess some of the practical pieces of intuition to me are being in my body and like feeling that right like feeling like what does my body want? What is it speaking to me? What is it saying to me? But I'm curious to hear like, how do you make this practical for people in their decision making?

Shoshana French  14:13

I call it Powell pa L. Pause, ask. Listen. So the pause is going from turning down the volume of all the external noise, all the stuff you're talking about those rules? And, you know, there's a clarification of I said that word wrong. proliferation is globalization. We live in a time where we are inundated with information 24/7 Like literally 24/7 I was literally I got lost in Tik Tok for like 45 minutes the other day and I was like, oh my god, someone pull me out. Pull me out because you can just get there's so much information in right. So if you if you were like a leaf in water and all the information was the current you We'd go 150 different directions in 3.5 seconds, like there's just so much information. So to me the pause is pause the focus on things outside of you. So, you know, unplug, unplug from data, unplug from people, all that kind of stuff, identify all of the rules and opinions that are like swirling around in your brain, and then recognize some of your own internal noise, because we have a lot of noise to write. So if you have a rule that you learned when you were a kid, which is weighing high on the BMI scale means you're fat and lazy. Although you run and eat healthy, healthy, I'm using air quotes for people can't see that the eating, eating healthy. But yet the numbers, the data says that you're unhealthy as far as people's, then your internal conversation sucks. So all of those things keep you from being inside of you and present. So that's pause the pauses, how what do you do to get present, and everybody's built a little bit differently. So some people, we were talking about, you know, rewiring of brain, people do that, you know, like, I have a client who's right now working with some trauma stuff. And so she's doing some EMDR, and some talk therapy that's really helping her identify her internal conversations. But if it just on a daily practical basis, physical movement is awesome for getting in the body. And for quieting. And I, I say all of this is practical. Because if you want to hear your intuition, it's not occurring outside of you, it's not coming from outside of you, it happens inside of you. For some people, it is literally in the body like a feeling. So if you are filled with your reactions to everybody's opinion around you, it's really hard to hear it, it's just hard to hear it. If you can't tell if the feeling you're having is nervousness because of the argument you just had with somebody, or that nervousness now is the thought of the next is the feeling about the next meeting, you have like you feel actually hesitancy about the next meeting, which could be an intuitive communication. So that's the pause, ask the thing that people don't do. And this is for me practical, your intuition is not separate from you. So you have to ask questions, because it's a tool. So there's an engaged conversation, there's lots of questions, we can ask our intuition. And there are tools to make it easier to listen following questions, but engaged questions. So I like to ask questions like, Why does it feel that way? Why, why do I have a feeling of just discomfort about that person? What is that feeling? Feeling in the body? Why do I keep having this recurring thought about this person? Why does this person keep popping in my head? Why do I keep like, why is my eye drawn to that necklace that person's wearing? What's that about? Like, why am I so drawn

Keri Norley  17:57

here? Right? Like this? Yeah, like, oh, there's a sense of like awkwardness or,

Shoshana French  18:01

yeah, why do I? Why when I'm talking to this person on the phone, do I? Am I hearing things? They're not saying? Like, what is that, that there's like, I just keep hearing that there's more to their story, right? Like, what is that? So for me, the ask is you have to get curious. That's the practical requirement for intuition. When you are allowing yourself to get curious, it switches on what I would call that, that place in your brain, where imagination happens, versus the place where your brain holds data, where it's processing what you already know, when you're in the space of imagination, it allows you to think bigger than what you already know. That's where intuition has some chance to come in. And then the last is listen, and listening is the I don't think any of it's hard. But listen takes practice. So the way I describe it is a little bit like when you have anybody has little kids no has it, whether you have little kids or you've been in a restaurant where there are little kids, it is overwhelming to them, because they're supposed to be paying attention to the meal they're having in their family. But there's all these other people. So they keep turning around in the booth and popping like their head up to see what's going on. And they're like, Mom, do you hear that across the way and mom and mom knows you shouldn't be listening to the conversation to the table over there. That's not stop, sit down, sit down, Samantha sit down. You should not be listening, right. But like that's how our brain is our brains are just like that. But we look a little more sophisticated than that. We don't we don't we pretend that we're paying attention when really, our mind is following everything that's around us. So if you can practice focusing on one thing at a time, which is not easy, by the way, but if you can practice that, it's easier to hear the one communication that is coming. So the way that you do that is one by pausing to by asking a very specific question. So your brain is only focused on one thing. And then because now you're already curious, you ask the question that you really want to know what it's going to say What Your intuition is going to say, then it makes it easier to listen. So that's one way I make it practical is wherever people are, that's the first thing they can start doing. And the other way I make it practical is I created an intuitive, like a, it's called the intuitive blueprint. So it's a test that people can take to give them a blueprint of how their intuition works. And that's, it's like a iNtuitive personality test.

Keri Norley  20:24

And they can go, I think they can go to your website, right?

Shoshana French  20:27

Yeah, people go to how to be intuitive.com. You can take the test there, how to be intuitive, calm. And it. I mean, it's not this is not a quiz, like people have some times where it's like to sell you something. This is actually like, it's 36 questions, it takes about five minutes. And you know, it's going to ask you questions that you're going to have to like, think about a little bit because this is about how your intuition works, it will give you a set of seven numbers. And inside of those numbers, it will explain how your intuition works. But I've been able to identify the way that people's intuition works. And no one's intuition works the same. Everybody's works. Even if I had two people who had the exact same numbers, our likes and dislikes are different. So that's when it's, that's when it gets really interesting. You're like, Oh, got it. The husband is someone who's oriented mentally. They're, they're mind oriented, but the wife is more body oriented. And so oh my gosh, no wonder they're having this communication. Because his intuition is coming from a place of wanting to understand something. And so it's very mentally, that's that's how his intuition comes in is very mentally, is how he understands things. Whereas hers is a body thing. She's like, I don't know all that stuff. You're saying it just doesn't feel right to me. Like there's something here. It just doesn't and they want

Keri Norley  21:42

and then the man and then the guy wants you to be able to explain it with words. And like, I don't have words, but I know 100% I'm not supposed to go there. There is no logical reason. But my intuition says fuck dollar.

Shoshana French  21:58

Well, it can you know, and it happens the other way to that right both ways. Both ways. Yeah, it just even Yeah, so I liked your question, which is like, how do you make it practical? Well, the first thing is you just talk about it in a way that's practical. I ask people, if you if you absolutely trusted every decision you make, what would you do? Like how would you operate in the world? That is what being an intuitive decision maker allows it? Yeah, let allows you to trust every single decision you make. And that's a little like, people are like, why? And what do you I don't know what you mean by that? Like, like without checking with other people first? Yeah. Without like checking the numbers. Yes. Like you, you actually could trust every decision you're going to make? Because who knows better than you

Keri Norley  22:47

know, and it's interesting, I have so many things that I've like, I've literally never. Okay, so I'm going to start with some of the things that you said with a pause. One of the things that was really interesting in that was like one of the one of the I'd say the nuances and what you said that I'd love to add? I think especially for empaths, right? We do like you said this, like we have to differentiate what's mine and what's yours. And so sometimes a question that I asked myself when I'm feeling especially if I've been in a room with a lot of people like this week, you guys, right? Like I was just a way for 10 days with tons of people in these conferences for the Bitcoin Conference, the Miami crypto experience. And when isn't it as an empath we get into these spaces. I mean, I can put up all my barriers and my bubbles and all this stuff. Like I'm still going to take people stuff in, right. And so every day, I'd come home and I decompress and decompress, and whatever. But it's been like, I finally got home. And yesterday, I was like, I got into the caves. And I was like, Okay, everybody can leave officially like we can fully have all of this leave my body. Right? And in those times, we have to make sure that we are asking, like I asked myself if I'm like, I think I probably would have struggled to make a really big decision in those few days. Right? Because it was so much of new people's information at me. I probably wouldn't have chosen to think I did not have to make a big decision just had to be there to be present or whatever I had to do there. But it probably wouldn't have been a good time for me right? And now that I'm home and back in my normal environment, generally speaking, it's like if even if I go into a room with other people I will decompress afterwards and then if I start to have these like questions that come in, I'm like, Is this mine or is this theirs? Right? Is this my energy and sometimes it is like we've caught on to other people's we didn't realize it there's more stuff that's there. And so I think that's one thing that was really important that you said like we can we can oftentimes is it somebody that we've been around? Is it conditioning that we've had from past experiences? Is it from generations ago that we've been conditioned to believe this thing and this is what's filtering this? Or is this me actually listening to my intuition? The other thing I thought I would say when you talked about all of this stuff, I loved your your your things? Pause. Ask Listen, the next piece I would add Just as my personal would be act, right, like we can listen to these things, and then the next step always is to like, what's the divine next aligned action to take from listening to my intuition? And to add to that last piece that you said on that note, usually is that with the sitting towards divine guidance, I love that you said this, like, what would happen if we listened to every single thing and acted on every single intuitive guidance that we got? What I find for people, and you can tell me if you find this as well, but what I find for people who are new to listening to their intuition, that sometimes, like it is because of conditioning that was passed, it isn't quite like the most, I'd say, you know, like, there might be some other little thing in there, there might be like, this was like a little bit off path. And you're like, Oh, I got it just a little bit like tweaked, right? And you still did it. And you still went exactly where you needed to go. And I think that's one of the things that we forget sometimes is that even if it's just a little bit skewed, and we just like, didn't quite get exactly like this, like, because it's a refinement. The refinement, I think, is we listen to our intuition. It gets it gets more clearer as we go. And it gets more clear as we trust it. And if you're new to it, listen anyway. And even if it takes you a little bit like you're like, huh, that wasn't quite 100%. Right? Like it was 100%. Right? And that's what I want to say like it was 100%, right? Because you learned that lesson too. And then you learned like, Ah, really, that first thing that dropped in, because this is usually what happens. That first thing that dropped in that I didn't really want to hear and listen to, right, that I skewed just a little bit because it was actually easier for my ego. It was like, then I went that way. No, really, it was that first thing. And then the more that we trust it and the more that we trust it the the clearer it gets. But no matter where you are, it's perfect. And you are absolutely where you're meant to be. Even if it's like slightly off in those first times that you try this out. Does that make sense? Do you find that as well?

Shoshana French  27:02

No, I would agree. I think that the only way to build trust is to practice following what it says. You know, like, he there's no, there's not like a there's this is there was this article that I read about, they had people who visualized playing the piano, people who practice the piano, and then people who did both. And obviously the people who most improved were the people who both visualized and played. And so in, like practiced. So in my world, it some of the work that you're doing, when you really begin, the practical application of intuition is the inner work there that is required to align yourself. And that's a word I use. And I don't use it like, in a way, I just mean being aligned with yourself being able to know what your wants and desires are, because that affects what you're asking about, obviously, like if, if what you want most in life is to make your husband happy, then your intuition is going to respond accordance to that, like because that's what you're asking about. If what's really important for you in life is a lot of freedom, and the ability to follow your own path. When you check in with your intuition. It will align with that. So it's going to align. That's why the inner work is so important. Because otherwise then how do you know what you want? So totally, I've watched

Keri Norley  28:29

lots of people really important point. It is even going

Shoshana French  28:34

Yeah, people get nervous to try it because they're like, What if What if what I'm hearing is not accurate? Just like what you said? What if it's off? Like what if I'm misunderstanding it? And what I say is like anything else? Like do do your best and just try it because it and try it on? I always recommend that people try it on things that they're not really emotionally like, you know, hi, like,

Keri Norley  28:58

should I should I eat this? Should I eat orange apple? Does it really matter? In the end of the day? No.

Shoshana French  29:03

Yeah, like, go to the grocery store. And I mean, there's lots of games you can play. There's one of the people that I learned intuition from her book, Sonia choke edge. She's definitely in the woowoo spiritual focused realm around intuition. But she had this game around, she was like, play the I wonder game. And that one, I've always I have clients do that. So I have clients do it on a corporate level. I'm like you're sitting in your office and play the I wonder game. I wonder who's going to come into my office first today. And like, and then if you are someone who sees things to someone's face, pop in your head. If you're someone who knows things does the knowing of who's going to come in your office happen. If you're a feeler Do you notice like a feeling and then like a something right after it? That's an indication of someone that you could think of? Do you hear their name like depending how you translate, and then play that game, stand in front of a bank of elevators and play But I wonder which one is going to open. When you press the button. I play that sometimes like it's, then that way it gets you to a place where it feels a little less intense and more like a game curiosity game. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's not any different, like, nobody is gonna, you know, learn football by going to the Super Bowl like you're not going to like that's not gonna be the first place that you play, you go go practice first. So go practice, practice, practice, practice, practice. And the thing I say, and I love what you said, which is you're always refining it, it's, I've been doing it professionally for almost 17 years, using my own intuition for clients and training people for the last 10 how to practically apply intuition. And I'm still refining it, because we're human. It's not like our it's not like all of a sudden we reach enlightenment, or something I maybe I don't know about that. I can't really speak on things that I don't have a lot of knowledge of. But as far as I can tell, with the people I've known in 45 years of life, it's not like all of a sudden, people suddenly reach enlightenment and like, they're perfect. We're humans. So our intuition, you know, moves with us because it is us. So, you know, when we're moving through junk, whether it's like our relationship to our ability to be successful, or maybe wounding we have from our parents and our childhood, that stuff affects our intuition. So get it, you know, like, just practice, that's the point. Keep practicing. And even if you're like, I don't know if I really heard it right or not, like, just practice and see what happens because the only way to recognize the communication is from doing that. That's it.

Keri Norley  31:36

One of my favorite ways to practice and that I always kicked myself about, I'm gonna tell you is driving a car. Like that's way like you get in the car and you're like, I think you know, those places that you know where you're going, but you're like, huh, it's been a while since I've been here on the tribe without the map. And you're like, Okay, I'm gonna go left and intuition. I

31:55

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Keri Norley  31:56

swear to God, I hate what I don't listen to it. It goes go left. I'm like, but I swear it's right. And you go right in, you're like, dang it. Intuition. Darn. Right. Right. And it's a great place. Because really, unless you're in some really bad part of the city, so what you make a wrong turn, you turn around and two minutes later, you're back on path and like, you're totally fine. But it's such a fun game to play. It's to like, Okay, can I remember? And can I let my intuition guide me? And can I truly listen to it? Because it's every time I don't listen to it, I got seriously you should know by now Keri. And I just laugh at myself.

Shoshana French  32:29

I love that game. I like to play the like, Who's behind me driving? I'm like, I wonder what they look like or I wonder who they are. I wonder what color the car is behind me. And then I look in my rearview mirror that an example of the pause to ask Listen, by the way in this instance, is we all the time, get in our car and drive somewhere and have no sense of presence about like, we're just all of a sudden there and we don't remember driving because our mind was somewhere else that are which is deeply frightening, but explains a lot how many accidents there are. But driving is a great opportunity to pause. Because you can like before you actually turn on this massive vehicle and move through space and time. Like, take a moment. Like you're 16 check all your mirrors, right, like, turn the music on that you want. Turn your phone on, do not disturb, like, have your hands at hands. Make sure that you like where you have your seat, like do the whole thing to be paused and present. And then drive. And then it's really fun to play the game you said which is where am I going like which way to go. That's I agree with you. It's so fun.

Keri Norley  33:34

Sometimes I've been getting more adventurous lately and been like I have a girlfriend and I who are both very intuitive healer type, you know people and we just like we play games now we're like, where should we just get in the car and start driving and figure out where we're gonna go and see where we're gonna end up for dinner. Okay, let's just try Where should we go today and we get in and we're like, where's the world going to take us like and it's like such an exciting adventure knowing that like I trust that the world's gonna take me to just the right place it just the right time and I'm going to make it just fine. You know, it's just a fun and there's so many ways to play with it. Okay, so this is something that's interesting that you said to receive info one way and you process it another now I love we started we started talking about it receiving information and you've you've glimpsed over it I will say something along the lines to make this like a very concrete thing your what I'm hearing you talk about is your Claire senses. Right? So like the your auditory your visual, your knowing your being your physical, your mental, right? So these different senses that we have. So what I'm hearing is that we're all processing our intuition in different ways through these different senses. And it's true like I personally, a lot of people who are in this in this work are very gifted in the vision and they'll see things I personally have that is probably one of my weakest like I see black people like but how do you see I'm like, I sense it. So when someone tells me to visualize, I'm like, Okay, I'm, I'm like I started to tell people like I can't I don't actually see anything. It's black, but I sense that If there was something in front of me, it would look like this. Right? And so I think that's a really important piece that you're saying. Because when we start to receive information, it can explain a different experience. And a lot of people just assume carried on to see it. I'm like, No, I really like it's just black. I can't understand people who are visual, like, I can't understand them. Like, really,

Shoshana French  35:19

it's just people don't have that, like the thing where you visualize in your mind's eyes, some people's brains don't work that. Yeah, some somebody. I love teaching people because, to me, that's something also distinct. So the reason why I even talk about the difference between how your intuition works, and then how we process things, yeah, is because what I what I start to notice is that that's the thing that comes up for people, when they're trying to determine what is intuition versus what is ego, or past based training or something, it helps them distinguish the difference. So I, intuitively I am oriented mentally. So when I tap in to things, I'm curious about how what I focus and pay attention to are connecting dots and understanding, understanding people, understanding how things are connected, like that's a little bit like how my intuition then goes to that, right. And then how I translate are all four ways that you translate. Sometimes I know things, I get feelings about things, I hear things, and I see things like people's faces pop in my head, or solutions pop in my head. But when it comes to translating the world, like how I experience the world, not intuitively, but otherwise is very physical. It's very physical. So I have a very like, just the way that I am, for example, is mentally I know when I get onto a plane, that it's that it is actually a smaller space. But there's something about being in a plane, that my physical body, there's this thing that happens where I feel really compressed. And so I've learned over time, where to sit on the plane, so that I physically feel comfortable, that is distinct for me, then intuitively tapping in and understanding something. So that physical experience, I just didn't fit. I have physical experiences in spaces. But that's just how I process things. I'm a very physical processor. I'm like, Here, give me the thing, let me do it. That's how I learn distinct from intuition. I need no learning, I understand things without having met the person knowing anything about them. stuff pops in my head. That's my intuition. So where I see it a lot is with people who intuitively are oriented, heart wise, emotionally. And so the intuition they receive is related to the emotions they perceive in others. So like, my, my husband is heart oriented. So when he meets new people, he does things like yes, people how they are. And if people are like, I'm fine, he asks, he asks again, but in a slightly different way. Because what he's doing in that moment, his intuition, his desire, is a depth of connection. Because that's how heart oriented people are. However, when you give my husband a problem to figure out, he is mentally he processes like mentally, not emotionally. But intuitively, he is just very emotionally oriented. Now, some people's match, right? Some people are mentally oriented in their intuition, and they process life mentally. But this is that distinction. That's what I mean, it's like if you've ever heard people say, you know, like, if you've ever taken the Enneagram, I'm on the Enneagram. Like the I'm a two and we are the word the more like, I can't remember what the triad is. But that is actually very different for me than how I process things intuitively. So when I'm in a meeting, like a business meeting, a client hires me, and I'm sitting in their business meeting with their with all of their executive staff. And I'm listening, right? I'm taking notes. And what I'm listening for is, where is the disconnection that's causing the breakdown in communication in this in this team, right of executives? What can we adjust or change? Who are the people in this group that are not connecting? And I'm intuitively listening. However, if I was not there in the pathway of being an intuitive listening, right, being a consultant in that way, and intuiting, the meeting, I would show up in the meeting in a really different way. I just would show up differently. Like when I go to a, you know, like a, like a sporting event, or I go to like an amusement park or someplace with a lot of people. If I was intuitively trying to sort something out. It's like a million people's voices in my head because I'm connecting dots and trying to understand, but if I'm just there, and I'm not focused on my intuition, I feel physically overwhelmed because there's so many people. I'm like, where do I go so that there's not people all the way around me? Because I hate that. I'm like, Oh, I don't like to feel. I don't want to feel that feeling of like not enough room for me. But that's a different thing. Does that make sense?

Keri Norley  40:03

Yes, yes. Ultimately, we're receiving info from one one avenue. And then what we do with that info is maybe different than the way we receive it.

Shoshana French  40:15

Totally. Yeah. And it makes a difference, because some people are really, they think they're like, I have one client right now who she took the test. And she's like, it's it says, I'm heart oriented. I am not heart oriented. I'm very process oriented. I'm very logical and very structured. I said, No, your brain is really logical and structured, but your intuition is not. And so I gave her some examples we talked about when you intuitively tap into people, what you're tapping into is how they feel. So when you're when you are tapping into her family, for example, to kids and her husband, like what happens in her body, because she's a feeler. That's how she translates as she feels, she'll get to this place where she just feel super upset. But she can't, she can't figure out why. Because it's not her emotions, right? Not her feeling about something. She's feeling the feeling of other people. That's what happens when you're emotionally oriented in how your intuition works. However, why

Keri Norley  41:13

it's so freakin important that we get to be in house alone. To totally decompress.

Shoshana French  41:21

No, joke. So true. It's so true.

Keri Norley  41:26

It's like cherish time for me. Because if I have family, even if they're not talking to me, and they're in the house, I can still feel them. So I'm like, I just need every week to have time where none of you are in the house, that my body can actually fully decompress all of you. And I can hear myself completely and fully without any intervention. Interjections where I'm also going, like, that's not them. This is me, right? Like with practice, we can do this. But it's way easier when I'm on my own in my home by myself. And it's 100.

Shoshana French  41:55

My, my husband is built very, very similar to you. He is also empathic. He feels the feelings of other people as though they're his own. I'm not I'm not empathic in that way. I'm more empathic in thought. So I can be with people and not recognize I picked up their thinking a lot. And because because I'm not I'm not emotionally oriented. I'm, I'm mentally oriented, I'm reminded intuitive. So I just like how my intuition comes in is more oriented in connecting dots and understanding people. So I say things to people out loud. Sometimes they're like, Oh, my God, that's exactly what I was thinking, you know, the same way that my husband when he's with people, he'll say, Gosh, that must have made you feel really frustrated and alone. And they'll be like, Oh, my God, that's exactly how I felt like they feel so like, they feel so recreated in their feelings, right? It's the same way that people feel recreated in their thinking with me. I'm just not emotionally oriented. So it I think once people understand that, and I, when I worked with leadership teams, when they understand the difference, then it helps them understand that they're actually speaking different languages. So interesting that Yeah, yeah.

Keri Norley  43:10

Yeah, I mean, I know, we can talk about it forever. But I want to also ask you quickly, because I know we're also coming up to the end of our time together, you had mentioned that you have some myths about intuition that you have been talking about. So I'd love for you to be able to share, like maybe even three of the myths that you've had about people coming up that that are let's, let's bust some Let's bust some myths about intuition.

Shoshana French  43:30

Today, the myths bust. One of the myths is that spirituality is a requirement to tap into your intuition. Oh, yes, that's a big myth, because it's not. And so a lot of people think that they have to buy into a particular kind of spirituality, whether like, they have to now start talking like lightworkers, and woowoo, and crystals. And, like, Actually, none of those things are requirements. It's how your body's designed. You don't have to become a neurobiologist, to understand that if put your put your hand on a stove, it'll burn your fingers. Like you don't have to understand why that is. You just know that is you got to know that's how your body is designed is to be able to tap into circumstances, people your own body, and have understanding direct understanding and knowing of things that doesn't require data. That's That's how intuition works. Another myth that I hear people talking about that, like makes me a little nutty, like makes me full on a little nutty is when people are like, well, you know, intuition is really hard. It takes years. It's not actually hard at all. What what is what is more of a challenge is to build the habit of using intuition instead of whatever it is you normally use to make decisions that that part building a new habit can be hard. So to me, this is more of a conversation about habit versus hardness. It's not hard intuition is actually once you it's so easy. Once you learn what it is. You're like oh Comment. That's that thing. Oh my gosh, it's been talking to me forever, and I'm ignoring it. And you're like, Oh, now I can hear it. I'm gonna totally use it that makes life so much easier. Right?

Keri Norley  45:09

I would say I would say the other challenge with that, again, like I mentioned this before is like trusting it. Right? It's like, especially when it asks you to do some bigger things that are a little bit hairy and scary, right? Like when it says, to go on a plane to this destination, and you're like, I don't know, or go get in, you're like, go get in your car, and you're supposed to go to the Starbucks right now to go did it. And you're like, but why? And then you don't listen. But the next time you do, and the next time you get there, and you're like, Oh, my God, and then you end up meeting the lover of your life, or you end up meeting, oh, my god, your next client. And you're like, of course, thank you intuition for like guiding me here. But you have to learn that when it's speaking to you, you get to trust it. And again, take those actions on it. And I think that's the piece that like people. They don't want to trust it right away, because it had to be harder something right?

Shoshana French  45:57

Well, and I also think they don't want to trust it. Because intuition often comes without any evidence, right? So often, you even Yeah, all the time that they want evidence for it before they'll follow it. Because the habit of being data driven, and your decision making is hard to break, is that's the thing is you have to develop a new habit. So that's something I always talk about with people in programs. And in when I work with people, one on one, you're building a new habit, your old habit is follow other people's expertise outside of you. And what you already know, in an experience, what I'm asking you to do is to is to push all that aside for a minute, and to listen very deeply within to what actually is in alignment with the kind of life you want. So you know, you just sent out all of your engagement announcements, you already went to the place and got the dress, but every time you think about getting married, everything inside of you clenches up, that's your intuition, you should investigate what your intuition is trying to tell you. Like, is it telling you to call the whole thing off? Is it telling you to go in a loop? Is it telling you this person is not for you? Like you, that's why we engage? The last myth for me is that people say and it's the thing I said in the beginning, which is that intuition is mysterious, or magical, versus it's practical. Intuition is really practical. And the more you use it, the more practical it becomes. And, you know, I'm, I'm super blue. I mean, I believe in all those things, manifestation and crystals, and, you know, spirit guides and all that stuff. But it's not a requirement to have the same beliefs as me to access your intuition. You could actually, you could be a stockbroker, you know, and an atheist in New York City and follow your intuition. Oh, yeah. You could be a Baptist preacher, and have a whole congregation and you could listen to your intuition. Like, I've watched people of all varieties. Awaken to this, oh, this is this like, inner guidance system that I have that I've been like ignoring. It's like GPS, turning the lowest volume, lowest volume, now you just go and just turn it up. It's one of my favorite things to do is to watch people. Like, that's why people think it's magical, because it seems so magical that it could be so easy.

Keri Norley  48:22

It's true. Because when you start following your intuition, I mean, like I wrote a post the day, if honest to God, like the craziest things happen. Okay. So for example, I'm going to give you this really amazing example, for intuition that just happened to me. I wasn't going to go I was it was the last day of Miami crypto experience. And I was exhausted, I was tired. And all of a sudden, they invite us to this Bare Knuckle boxing fight, which is like, Really, okay. But I was like, Alright, whatever. There's a whole bunch of cool people in there. I'll go in, I'll see it's, you know, I don't have to pay for this ticket. Someone's giving it to me, why not? If I don't like it, I can always leave, right. I end up like, we've already been in this workshop for you know, two and a half days by now. And I end up sitting next to this guy. We start chatting, long story short, he is a one of the first defy lending platforms in crypto that he created. Right? Of course, he was like, Of course you are. And then we start chatting more and of course, he lives in a suburb next to me in Denver. And of course, we have like the same favorite restaurant. And of course, we're gonna go out and have a cup of tea together, like of course, but if I had not just gone and gone or I was just okay, whatever. I don't know why I'm going into this weird Bare Knuckle boxing fight that sounds like seriously brutal brutality. And loud and lots of noise and more people in my field. Okay, but then I wouldn't have met this amazing man. And then after that, I move us like, Oh, you guys have seen this other guy. Do you know where he is like over this other section of the stadium. And the next thing I know there's this guy who's a musician who'd been Playing the night before, onstage in our event, like during this whole big show for everybody, I didn't happen to be there. But I knew he was playing. And the next day like, I'm sitting next to him and he starts, he starts saying something about singing. And I was like, Oh, do you get sick to me? And I was like, I'm pretty sure this is who the guy is. I didn't see his face, but I was pretty sure who the guy was. And all of a sudden, the next thing, you know, I'm being serenaded. Like, go ahead. And I'm like, but that's intuition, right? Like, that's like, where do you get to have these experiences. I mean, it goes on and on and on and on, to the ways that we can have these most magical wondrous, literally it was sitting in the stadium, when we were there. And I get called up onto the stage to have this be part of this panel that I was not supposed to be part of, and end up on this big, huge stage. And I'm like, if I hadn't been in the room, sitting there, but the 30 seconds prior, when all of a sudden to the panelists didn't show up. They're like, oh, we need a panelist, Keri, you're the next panelist. Let's go. Okay, here I am. Let's go and ended up being the most perfectly aligned conversation about the new earth and new wells. Like where we're going, the finances, all of these things happen simply because I was like, intuitively, like, let's go into this room right now. Let's go do this thing right now. And it happens all day long every day, if we let it. And I think this is the thing that that is so important. It's not about necessarily all these really big decisions. Because when the really big decisions happen, you will trust it because you trusted all those other little ones that you go. Are you serious, of course, of course, of course this happened. Like it didn't matter whether I went to that boxing and to be honest, if my life never met any of these people, like my life would not be like, enjoyable, right? Would it be terrible. But like, of course, this is what gets to happen, because of course, I just trust my intuition in every moment of the day. And I think that's where like, it's so important for everybody like is I want to leave and I think you would probably as well, like, I personally want to leave this with is like, it's an everyday old day thing, it isn't a magical thing. It's like this is how you get to literally be guided by in your life. And when you allow yourself on an old, I'm not gonna say all your decisions, because sometimes we are in like, I'm just gonna wake up and eat the breakfast that I eat, right? Like, I'm gonna have my shower because I have a shower right now. But, but like, generally speaking, if I allow my life to be guided by intuition, from all of the aspects of my life, then it's just how I live it, it doesn't become magic, this is just who you are, who you be. And of course, then everything gets to be magical, because you are so like, to me intuition is the divine connection with your soul, like you are deeply connected with yourself listening to like, this is the right place for me at the right time and the most, I then believe that by listening to my intuition, magic, and miracles get to happen. Because I'm gonna say

Shoshana French  52:40

people who listen your podcast probably hold that same belief. But just in case, you're someone who's more skeptical, and not like that language she just used doesn't land for you, you don't have to believe that your intuition is a connection to your soul to connect to it. And it can, it can still, it can still literally transform your life. Because if you listen to that inner guidance, it is scanning all the things around you at all times, in alignment with what you actually want. So if you're listening to this podcast, and you're like, I don't even know what I'd use my intuition for. Because you've never made an intuitive decision before that you're aware of the first place to start, just like Keri said, his get in touch with what I would call soul's what Karen I would call soul, but just get in touch with that inner part of you that is most alive. Like when you're most alive. What are you doing? And like ask yourself some questions like How could you have more of those kinds of experiences in life? And then use your intuition to guide you to that, like, how do I have a job? Where I have that kind of experience? How do I have the kind of friendships and community where I have that kind of alive experience? How do I have pillows on my couch, that when I look at them bring me joy? How do I have a color on the wall of my office, like you can use it just like you use data. But instead, you can not get rid of data. But instead you can build this habit to become an intuitive decision maker and I'm with Keri and that I would use the same languaging which is that I really do feel it's the depth of connection with the inner truth of who we are. However, you don't have to believe that in order for it to work. All it is is just this skill you have like putting your hand on a hot stove and you're like wow, that's how the body and brain is designed. You don't even have to understand how it's designed in order to use it. Intuition is the same way once you can recognize those signals just like the our signals in your fingertips. Once you understand how it actually works, you can use it and then apply it everywhere. Just like she's saying. And magical like magical stuff is I like saying weird because weird is inexplicable. Like that's what weird translated means like that's what the actual definition is. So weird stuff happens when you start listening staring. Yeah, SERENDIP is inexplicable like you go to a like I went to a party that I wasn't supposed to go to because I had something else planned. But we made it work. And I got there met two amazing people, one of which invited me to come to his birthday party, across the country in DC didn't know him. But my intuition said to go went to his party, and the people that I met at that party now are some of the most important clients I have, you know, four years later. So we don't know, one very, very small decision, what the outcome of that will be just like anyone listening to this has ever made this decision they didn't think was a big one. And it ended up being a huge decision. That was like a pivot moment in their life. I think all of us would prefer that those pivot moments, pivot us towards what we really want, versus pivoting us towards, domestically up. So that's what intuition can help you do. pivot towards what you really want.

Keri Norley  55:50

I love it. And I love that you brought in the importance of the intention with your intuition. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, my dear, this has been absolutely amazing. I'd love the way that you practically teach intuitions. So so amazing. Can you let everybody know if there's anything else you would like to wrap this up with? And then how do they find you? Great.

Shoshana French  56:13

So if you are listening to this, and you're like, I don't totally understand how my intuition works. Don't worry, there is actually a way to learn, you can take my test the intuitive blueprint test. So I recommend that everyone listening takes that doesn't take five minutes. And then once you understand the mechanics of your intuition, you can get started. How you can find me is how to be intuitive calm, it's information about how you can become intuitive how you can actually live your life intuitively operate your business intuitively, but you can also find me on social media. There I met Shoshana French there's no other others have me on social media. That's an unusual name. That's a plus plus, so it's like come on, come find me on Facebook friend me, let's chat. Let me know what support you need to be able to begin to trust your intuition now.

Keri Norley  57:01

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