Unconscious Kink, Dominatrix and Increasing Your Money Flow with Renee Mayne

Keri Norley

Hello and welcome to this episode of the wealth Alchemist podcast. My name is Keri Norley. I am the host of your show and today I have a beautiful friend of mine. She calls herself the madam of the School of Cinematic King. This is gonna get fun today that guys guys and girls. She is a force to be reckoned with which is true, shattering spirituality and sexuality as we know it and restoring it to complete sovereignty without all the bullshit and teach you the importance decadence and realism about living hedonistic, holy and human. She has broken older rules by unplugging from the matrix and the long lasting narrative that has kept us small, afraid and quiet. To be the powerful creative force we are and living with no regrets and completely turned on by our existence. Fuck yes. She's not here to change the game. I'm here to obliterate it. Welcome to the show Rene Maine. She is a beautiful friend of mine. And today, we are going to be talking about what you couldn't tell some edit kink, but we're going to be talking about unconscious kink, maybe some dominatrix things. We're going to probably be a little bit edgy today. This may be one of the edgier podcasts that I bring. I'm so excited to be having this conversation with Rene and as much as this is edgy. Please, please, please hang with us because we might make it edgy. But it is sure 100% If you listen to this conversation, we haven't even had it yet. I know you will have some insights and changes in your life without a doubt. So welcome to the show.

Renee Mayne

Hello, I'm so excited to be here. Oh, so good.

Keri Norley

Okay, so I don't even know where to begin, because this is so good. One of the things we really want to talk about is the unconscious kink piece, but also how does the sexuality and all of this kinkiness relate to money so hang with us, we will get to this whole piece of it. To start with what what would you say is unconscious? But maybe we should start with conscious kink and then go to unconscious cake.

Renee Mayne

Yeah, great question. Great question. So the actual meaning of kink, in its simplest form, is a bend in an otherwise straight line. Right? That's what confused when we bring in what it means in society. It means anything that is outside what society deems as normal. so that within itself, we have to begin to question, right? Because that's just like asking what is normal? Right? It is Pandora's box that is so diverse depending on depending on the person. So conscious kink is really about exploring what's outside that box. What is outside that realm of what society classify as normal. And as we enter into what society deems as taboo, right. And so bringing it back to wealth, tell me wealth isn't a taboo subject. Tell me wealth is something that we've all been brought up to, it's not something that you ask about. It's not something that you discuss, God forbid if you get educated on it. So the intersection here is absolutely us beginning to become really comfortable about having these what society deem as taboo conversations, however, they'll be the most empowering and liberating conversations that we can have. When we can start to begin to talk about wealth and money and six, as an everyday normal part of life and remove the judgment, then we can really begin to liberate ourselves.

Keri Norley

Mm hmm. The judgment and shame that come with money and sex are two of the most highly judged and shamed pieces of our lives. It does not matter where we come from, it does not matter what experience we have. And one of the things, interestingly, I've been thinking about a lot lately is, you know, my own stuff around money and like, who, you know, the imposter syndrome, who am I and all that, you know, it comes up for me, like a human does. And, you know, losing money and making mistakes and all that kind of stuff. And who am I if I have, and one of the things that really started to be with me was like, Who am I not to? Thank God, I've had all these mistakes. Thank goodness, I'm going to show you guys how to avoid some of these mistakes. Hopefully, if you listen, right? Listen, yeah, I've done those. And so you know, it's a really interesting thing, because I've spent so long shaming myself that it actually kept me and you know, this, like, it kept me for so long from actually sharing the story. But even as I've been teaching it, I've had my own stuff around it. And it's like, we get to release the shame around and it totally relates, for me, it totally relates, the more that I open up my sexuality, the more that I make more money, the more that I open up to the shame that I have around money shows up for me, I'm like, oh, it's like a complete marriage. Because if we start to open ourselves up sexually, or both of them, we can't we can't avoid it. You can't not see. Right, like you can, you can pretend things, especially if you have like a fit body and you can kind of pretend and get away with stuff and different things. You can kind of pretend in relationships that things are okay, black and white. I'm either gonna do the thing with my sexuality, or I'm not, I mean, they're gonna have money.

Renee Mayne

Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, you can't, you can't deny it, you can't, you know, it's there. And sometimes it can be really confronting to see that because you're looking at the most vulnerable parts of yourself. And, you know, we can be so we can be so conditioned to carry that shame. But our pain is actually holding on to that shame. It's not the thing itself. You know, that that's the pain. And that's and it's just our perception around what it means anyway. So it's not even the thing. It's what we think that it is, it's the attachment in the association that makes things really messy and causes us the shame anyway, and usually, for reasons that have been passed on, that we've picked up, and not because it's what we actually believe innately within ourselves anyway, so unless we kind of have the lens where we can go, Okay, let's have this kaleidoscope kind of view, where we begin to just be open to see things a little bit differently. Hmm.

Keri Norley

So does that have Okay, so we got conscious king does this have then went into like, so what is unconscious cake?

Renee Mayne

So unconscious kink is, you know, if you've been doing any sort of personal development or spirituality work, we talk a lot about fear, right? And so fi versus love. Now, in my experience over the past few years is what I've made, the connection between is you can identify fear, right? And we can do that and that's a really important thing. However, until we actually understand what the secondary gain is, And then we can actually transmute that, or evolve through that. Right. So what that is so and I probably need to rewind that a little bit and talk about how kings are formed. Right? Yeah. So kings are formed from an arousal and stimulation point, that's usually caused by taboo fear and arousal. So those triads of things cause a kink in the body, right? a kink in, in our nervous system in our memories, because the, the feeling of arousal is the same between pleasure and pain, what it feels like in the body, it's that hypersensitive feeling of arousal in the body, right. So when we understand that, it can either be formed from our happiest moment in our childhood, or from a point of Fi taboo and arousal. And so once we go okay, then we can begin to go okay. So how is unconscious kink formed. So, unconscious kink is formed by the three things, that is taboo arousal, and fear. So when those things happen simultaneously, obviously, at the same time, then it forms a kink. So with that, then it can be you like all kink, one would then say is formed unconsciously, right, we don't know why we're not conscious to actually that kink being formed at that time. So all kink, whether it be sexual or not. And that's probably another thing that's important for most people that stand is that kinks are both non sexual and sexual. And usually, there's a thread between the two, right? So an unconscious kink forms, in what I would refer to as the erotic body, which is all five bodies. So the erotic body holds equally, the mental body, the emotional body, the physical body, the spirit body and the energy body. So there's a kink that ripples out in all of those five bodies, right? So then in that, then when the arousal and stimulation point forms that kink, unconsciously, then we hold that and so with kink, there is a secondary game. So we get off on. And if you look at the language around all kink, and even sexuality, it's, this turns me on when I get off on, right, so why do people watch? Why do people watch porn? They're watching porn is the action, because they get off on it? Right? Right. I get turned on when you write me a really nice love letter or poetry. Right? So I get turned on when you buy me a gift or whatever, your love languages, so. So therefore, so there's a secondary gain, right? So it's not you buy me a gift, and I feel loved. That's the secondary gain. Now, well, how that can form that can be really beautiful things. Or, most people, when we identify with kink, we look at the really seedy, sleazy, toxic kink that comes out sideways. Right, so that's all we know them as, but there's a beautiful sight to kink, right? So everything, you know, everything has a shadow, everything has a false power. So when we look at kink, there is a beautiful purity to them. Or there's a false power to them as well. Right?

Renee Mayne

And so this is where unconscious kink comes into play. So for big one around wealth, and unconscious kink, would be you're getting off on the scarcity. Right? You get out it's giving you something. So then there's, you know, there's a big one that we talk about in when if anyone who's gone and learned about EFT tapping, then you know, they talk about the secondary gain as in you know, it's it's the guy who was on you know, who has us who's on a government, a government subsidy a wage, he's on a government payment, because he has health issues and unable to work right He is trying desperately to try and get his health together. So no matter what he does, he takes the medication, he gets fit, you does all the things to get healthy, but he's not getting healthy. Why? Because unconsciously he's going, if I get healthy, I'm gonna lose my paycheck. Right? So this happens unconsciously. And so that's just one example, right? But there's multiple examples about the stories about why we can't hold on to wealth, right? Why we can experience wealth, and not just wealth, in relationships. Without health, like in every single area of our lives, this comes into play this, this unconscious kink. And this is why

Keri Norley

it's interesting when I was reading, so we were, we were chatting before the show, before we hit record, about how Rene had figured this all out. And there was also a book called unconscious cake. And one of the things that I really loved about that, and I'm guessing is, you know, along the same lines of what you're talking about, is like, it's actually an arousal when you actually like, this is like, to me, the healing really started to happen. And, and I love that you're reminding me of this, because I was like, Oh, I kind of forgot to do some of these. But like when you start to look at okay, so if for the example that you said, getting off on scarcity, right, because there is a secondary game for it, like any problem that we have, I mean, this is just clear. I mean, I'm gonna say like coaching one on one, if you want to write, what's the benefit, right? What's the benefit of whatever the problem is that we're creating? And the next piece that I found so fascinating, was actually allowing yourself to truly get off on it. Yeah. Right. So can you explain that a little bit more like what that looks like? And why and, you know,

Renee Mayne

yeah, absolutely. So because, you know, so I'll say it earlier, like a arousal in the body feels the same, right. And that can be from a traumatic experience. Or it can be from like, from arousal, from sexual arousal. So in the body somatically, the body holds on to that the same, right? And so, so with this, this unconscious kink, and how we hold on to that, is that is that scarcity, around less, and I'm bringing in that that scarcity point, is I've just totally forgotten your question. I'm going on talking, and I don't even know where

Keri Norley

and how we how to turn on. Like, why. So with scarcity, that would be you know, like, how do we get turned on? And like, how do we allow ourselves to write because that was the piece to be like, Oh, my God allow myself to be turned on by this. It kind of was like, does it make sense? You know?

Renee Mayne

Yes. So that's, I remembered the second Arousa point that I was going to speak about. Thank you, when you. So a big one, is that because we like to make particularly if you're a conscious woke person, who is self aware, we will make a game out of this thread, right? So we go, Ah, how like, you know, so the healing process can become very alluring. It can become very addictive, right. And we become obsessed with the healing journey with our money journey. So we get aroused in the body. How far can I stretch this dollar? How far can can I make my money? You know, how far can I make my money last paycheck to paycheck? Right? So we're getting aroused, just by the sheer possibility of what we could do with it. So weird because so we begin to fantasize. Then, about where the money is going about where the thing is going. So then we're creating separation between the dream and the reality between the fantasy and the reality. So it's not the it's not the thing. It's not us having money. It's that we're beginning like we're getting turned down by the separation then. Right, we're getting turned off. So think about it, like, you know, when you're flirting, and you're beginning dating, right? It's the conversation. It's the excitement. It's the adrenaline. It's the anticipation about what could happen. Yes. So unconscious kink works the exact same, the arousal in the body. That's how it works. That's how we get turned on by it. And we don't even know that we're doing it.

Keri Norley

It's interesting. The anticipation of I never thought of it that way. I love it though, like, it's a patient of. And it's true how many times we sit here and like we're told journal and dream and experience and put ourselves in the wish fulfilled. But then we're turned on by the experience of it. Not with reality. So how do we bridge that? How do we make that? That bridge?

Renee Mayne

Yes. Such a good question. And so say I can feel like, my buddy lights up when it's like, because this is where it is. Right is so what I would then talk about is say I talked about being completely self sourced. Right? So self sorcery. So it's not how then so all the excitement and the anticipation is in the let's talk about is in the orgasm is in the aftermath? It's actually in the body happening right now. So how do we cultivate the energy of that? Right? How do we cultivate the energy of you know, I would talk about arrows in the body? How do we how do we cultivate arrows in the body? How do we feel it running through our veins? It's never in the aftermath of you know, anticipation is just going to keep us feeling like it's something that we can never obtain. Or often when we do obtain it. It's an anticlimax. Land. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've been dating this guy for so long. We've been having a great time. And, and we had sex or we've made love. And, wow, that was a disappointment. Hmm. You know, or, you know, I've really wanted that job. And I've been dreaming about this my dream job, and I got it. And is this it? Right. Right. Yeah. And

Keri Norley

how do we Okay, so how do we close that then? Right. So like, how do we not how to, it's interesting, like, it's, it's holding both really, it's holding the, the Euros in your body, currently, and just playing and letting that flow? And then also saying, and this gets to come to me?

Renee Mayne

Yeah, yeah. This is where I really like to bring in, like the essence of, for me what I call the intuitive dominatrix. Yes. Right. Is because it's, you know, so it's that I have, you know, it's, it's not something you know, I say to my apprentices all the time is, it's not something intuition is not something that we access, it's something that we are, right, so this channel is not something that we come in and out of, it's just we are that we are, so we can have the foresight, right, of knowing exactly where we want to go. We can have the vision, but also holding, I am the vision, right? I am the thing. And so the dominatrix energy as I look at it and teach it through the archetypal lens, is who we are she for you. She has full permission, she is fully expressed, right? She demands that she receives it demands it. Right, I deserve to receive, I deserve to feel good.

Renee Mayne

I deserve to be able to ask what I want and get it demanded. If you're the dominatrix. Right? Yeah.

Renee Mayne

Yeah, it's, it's done. Right? We don't, we don't fluff around. We don't skirt around the edges. It's, this is what I want to experience right now. And so our will makes it so. Right. And we are completely unapologetic in that. Yeah. So this is what I talk about. So this is where the one time comes in. Right? So a dominatrix talks about the one time and the one time is being unapologetic for what we want and what we desire.

Keri Norley

I think it's such a huge you know, I say this in wealth, money, you know, manifestation work all the time. Generally speaking, the number one thing that happens for people to not get what they want is they don't actually frickin ask for it. And you don't dream big enough. Yeah. Right. Let's declare and say like, I am creating this, there is no other option. Right? And so what you're saying here, and it's funny, like I've never thought about it from a dominatrix perspective, but I totally get what you're saying. And that like as a dominatrix, like, you're in charge. Like when you're dominating. There's no like, there's no other way that anything can happen, because you are in total control and drive of the experience, right? Yeah, exactly. What's that? I love that you say that like because we bring that into the energy You have our lives. It's so powerful. And one of the things I had said to Rene right before we got on the call, actually everybody was an experience that I had in that completely changed the way that I showed up in this place, which was learning about penetration on an energetic level. And as a woman, and I think this is so fascinating for women, because we don't actually have the chance to like our bodies are not designed for penetration we are designed for receiving. And so we are really great on the feminine at allowing ourselves to receive and if you are tapped into and allowing yourself to be in your feminine, you're in this flowy beautiful space, but you're not in a penetration space. And when we try and run businesses, and we try and run our lives from this only the receiving space, which is often what will happen, or a very young, immature masculine. Yeah, right. Yeah, who doesn't still doesn't how to penetrate like, I looked at it when I started learning about this. And it was like, I was kind of like, if we can imagine this, like the teenage boy that wanted to go fuck everything. Right? Like, things everywhere.

Renee Mayne

Yeah. Put it in anything.

Keri Norley

Anything, right? which the energy is not great penetration. It's like it's everywhere. I'm just spraying my shit everywhere. Open for the best. Yeah, right? Yeah, exactly. You can start to really look at our energy and go How do I want to penetrate this world? And how do I want my in a business? How do I want my message to be heard? How do I want my money to move? How do I want all this stuff? Like, that's where you start to be able to cultivate this energy of that penetration. And, and I invite all women, if you've never heard about this before, if you've never consider this, like, just start to allow yourself to think, what would it be like to penetrate like, quite literally just even think yourself in a sexual activity? What would it be like to penetrate? And then from that place? Like, how could I take that energy of penetration and move it through? Life? Yeah, exactly.

Renee Mayne

Absolutely. You know, particularly for women, you know, it's we become so good at being tactful, you know? And so, I'm going to ask for what I want, but I'm going to do it in a way that we're really, it's just, we're manipulating our words, right? Because I am just gonna, like, ask for what I want. But I'm gonna do it in a really indirect way. Right? And I'm gonna word it in a way where it feels like that you actually thought of it. Right? It was your idea. And I'm not just telling you what to do, right? So we can be quite manipulative in that, which again, is the king archetype, right? That is, that is an archetypal peak, right? That's the masochist. Right? archetype. And so it's in all of us. So if we just say, you need to get on your knees, and you need to go down on me, right? You need to go do this, right, we get to work this muscle, build this muscle of time, I'm going to walk in a walk over there. And then maybe you might just find your way over to, I don't know, in between my legs. Like it's so true. We don't ask clearly for what we want. And this is what the dominatrix brings is the dominatrix is fierce. Right? So you know, you're talking before about the, you know, the feminine energy is flowing, where for me, feminine energy now is fierce as fuck, right? She is like, this is what I want. We honor the attention to detail. We are unafraid. We can hold all of it. Right? We are fully anchored on the earth, but we are also in the mystery. And we let pleasure run through our veins because we know what's the secret sauce to sustaining our ability to do that. Right? So for me that that juiciness of the dominatrix is and she'll look and feel different to everybody. But that energy is an energy that we cultivate first. So as soon as we learn how to meet her, and bring it into our vessels, and she literally becomes the air that we breathe, and you can feel her run through your veins. And it's electric. Right? So you know, there's some days where she might feel really like you know, motherly. Right? And so that mother archetype will come in or sometimes it might be, you know, the maid and or the wild woman. It's just full permission to be whatever you need and want in that moment, right. Because we sacrifice, we sacrifice we watered down all because we want to be so independent and self sufficient. So what I would So, you know, what I invite everyone to do is really the exploration is becoming a dominatrix of your life and a submissive to the universe. Oh, yes. Yeah, give me some of that.

Keri Norley

Yeah. I mean, there's so much in here, there's so much to hear. Because, like, first of all, like the thing that I'm also hearing is like pleasure just allowing, like, I don't care actually which sex we are, as I say this, like, we have been conditioned to not allow ourselves to receive pleasure. And I will say, as a woman, and going through the journey I'm on currently like, allowing pleasure to his fullest capacity, and even looking at like I've been playing with and this can happen for you in any part of a relationship, whether you're committed, right, like I know, Renee has gone through this in a marriage, you know, she's shifted a lot of her marriage because of all this work. And whether you're in a marriage or you're single, like allowing ourselves to step into being the slutty, dominatrix whorish woman who wants absolute carnal pleasure. Yeah, right. Like even saying that for some of you probably cringy hearing me say it. Yeah, because society has said to us, that is a wrong. Yeah. And we've been shamed for years. Like I've been working through my some of my shots, slut, shame lately, like, shamed for years for the desire of carnal pleasure. And it's been interesting, because I've been considering it. Like, why is it okay as women, right? Why is it okay, that men can go out and have happy endings and have their carnal pleasures desires, totally taken care of, with so much ease and grace? And without any shame? Yeah, for the most part, I mean, of course, people shame that, but like, yeah, generally speaking, right? Yeah. And I was like, How come a woman like, you can't just pick up the phone and walk down the street? And be like, where's the man who's gonna? Yeah, right, we have been conditioned to believe that it's not okay. And that we don't get to live in this pleasure. And I find the more that you can be turned on by anything.

Renee Mayne

You say, Yeah,

Keri Norley

this isn't just sex. Like, I mean, I live my life. And sometimes, like, I've had to learn lately. How do I like not even hold? How do I move and be with the energy? Because as you start to wake this up within you, it's a lot. It's a lot. There's a lot of pleasure to be had. And no one needs to teach you. You don't even have to be sexual. Like, I mean, I could be finishing this podcast and be like, I want to go have an orgasm. Yeah. Especially three hours. Like, I love this, it turns me on. Yeah, right. I wouldn't do this.

Renee Mayne

Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, go ahead.

Keri Norley

There's just essentially one of these pieces is like, we have to allow ourselves to have this, you know, this pleasure. And the other piece, like as you were saying, like, I think we also get to have the exploration of being this dominatrix you know, being the dominatrix of our life. And like, what does it mean, because we get to stop people pleasing and pussyfooting around. And like, I think of how many women have never had an orgasm. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, it's crazy. It's, it's fast and easy. And I mean, it's so fucking good. So it's like, whatever you have that's going on, Nick. This is not Shane. It's like, no, whatever the work is going figure it out. Because it's amazing. Yeah. And and it's your God given right.

Renee Mayne

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You know, this is the biggest thing, right is that I hear is a lot of people say, I'm waiting to feel worse, I don't feel worthy of pleasure. I don't feel worthy of pleasure. So they're waiting to feel worthy to allow themselves to feel pleasure, like pleasure is this luxury item that you don't really need? Right? But what we need to do is change our perception on what pleasure is right? Because without pleasure, pleasure is like the glue that holds and binds everything together. It makes everything sustainable. Right? If your business or your job doesn't bring your doesn't bring you pleasure, guess what? It's not sustainable. There is an end date to that it will happen. Right? The same as our health right? If we can't find pleasure in our bodies, in our journey with what we put in our mouths. If it doesn't bring us pleasure, it is not sustainable. Right? So but here's the thing about what how pleasure works, is when you start allowing yourself to feel pleasure, you automatically feel worthy you up your pleasure you up you're worth the to go hand in hand. It's amazing and he is thing we're talking about penetration in the masculine, immature and that immature penetration is in my experience in all my containers, what I've realized is that people men will mask will masturbate, not to masturbate, but to reach the orgasm to reach the liberation, the relaxation, that calmness, that on the other side, they want the ripple effect of the orgasm. It's not the actual masturbation part. Did they actually really crave? It's what comes after that? Hmm. Right? Are you like, pardon the pun a bit like, you know, so there's that I could like, let that slide. So you don't. And then so again, unconsciously. Before we

Keri Norley

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Renee Mayne

Men masturbate to regulate their nervous system to set off and release the endorphins of serotonin in the body, right? To feel expansive and love. They are doing this why? Because it is our primal need for our bodies to function efficiently. Right? And we do this completely unconsciously. Our bodies know what to do. We experience arousal and turn on for a reason. Right? And the same as women as well. But women are like, Oh my god, what is this feeling? And what do I do? And oh my goodness, I can't do this. And that's dirty or this is wrong? Because why? Like because, you know, because we're primal beings. I can't be ugly, and I can't be messy. And oh my goodness, they're ugly sex face. And you know, all of these things is I can't be messy. I can't be loud. I can't be this. I can't be wild. And I just have to hold my shit together all the time. Right? That's the other thing that so many people say is I can't experience pleasure because I'm afraid of losing control. Hmm. Who are we when we lose control?

Keri Norley

Who is that? Right? I was gonna say think about that even in life, right? Because like, isn't in the orgasm plays in the space that obviously you you get to lose control. That's the whole point. And it's interesting, like when you think about that, if you bring it into life, you know. You can't submit to the divine. I mean, it literally is like, I love it. What you've said is because like when we truly submit and I mean truly submit. Yeah, magic and miracles happen. Yeah. And they happen in orgasms may happen in our life.

Renee Mayne

Yeah, absolutely. I just orgasms and our sexuality is just a mirror. Right? It's a mirror, a little pocket where we can go what's happening in all the other areas of our lives, right? So how am I showing up in relation to my sexuality and you can it doesn't matter if you've got a partner or you're single, it doesn't matter. How what is my relationship? To my six right now. And how do I want it to be? Right? Right? And then you can look at that. And go, how is this showing up? In my wealth journey? How is this showing up in my business

Keri Norley

journey? So what do you see some patterns across across here?

Renee Mayne

Ah, goodness, like so a big one is say, for example, is, well, gosh, there's so many I've heard like, so I've had, like, you know, people who come to me, and they think that they're asexual. Right, and they are completely shut down. And that's mirroring them their life, they're completely unhappy in their lives. Like, it's, you know, they're in a partner, where it's a toxic relationship, you know, and it could be, it doesn't even need to be abusive, per se. It can be they can just be, you know, in an unhealthy, unhappy relationship, right. And so, you know, and usually they don't like their jobs, or there's something going on, you know, in business, a lot of the time will be, you know, for example, say it might be, I don't have as much sex is what I want. I want it to, I want it to, I want to have it more frequently. I don't show up when I do have sex, I don't let myself go. You know, it's funny before you said, we let ourselves go in sixth. I think that a lot of people don't I think a lot of people still hold on, oh, I can't be too loud. Right? Or will like, I really want to sink my teeth into that neck. But I really can't do that because I might hurt them. Or I might you know, whatever's going on. You know, it's Dude, you're not even on my clitoris. Like, you know, whatever. You know, we say nothing.

Keri Norley

Right? Right? We

Renee Mayne

don't we don't communicate that. And so then people can go, oh, I don't actually, you know, I don't have as many clients as what I want, I don't show up in my business. As much as I want. Ah, I don't communicate what I actually want, and need. And I don't listen to what you need, and want and desire. Yeah, it can be absolutely confronting, right? If you were and I invite anyone to really journal and sit with that, sit with those questions, right? It can be super confronting, but so liberating as well to see it. And then we really begin to see before our eyes, holy crap, this does matter. This is not a luxury item. If I don't do this, I cannot sustain my energy, I cannot find happiness, I will always be masturbating over the fantasy. And this dream house, this dream card is far away from me, which is always so far away. But how can I just feel not even how can I feel it wrapped around my body? I know this has to be an inside body experience. And we can cultivate that right now. And this is what I mean, we can't we can no longer see pleasure as a luxury item. It is an essential ingredient.

Keri Norley

A host sister. You know, I have to say that for me personally, and I and I want to bring this into here because I think a lot of people also get a little bit trapped in this piece of I don't have a partner, or I only use my partner, right? Like I'm married or I'm with a partner. And the only place that they actually allow themselves to have their sexual freedom and creativity is with a partner. And it's a disservice to you. Because first of all, you are your best friend in this. I'm pretty sure you're gonna give yourself some of the best orgasms you've ever had if you haven't done that yet. Right. And it's through that exploration of our self pleasure, that we can then meet somebody else because I know what I like, I know what I want. I know the places that feel good. I then have the willingness to say to you as a partner, hey, if you just move a little bit this way, that's gonna feel frickin epic. And I'm going to have a wild orgasm. If you stay over there, we're going to be in Lac zone.

Renee Mayne

Exactly. That's right. Extensor

Keri Norley

and I think a lot of people you know, hearing this, it's like you don't need to have a partner to start exploring this experience. Because the most important person that can explore it with is yourself. And and I see this a lot too is women that we don't self pleasure. know like, it's been The probably some of the most healing parts of my journey, and I can 100% attribute, the more that I allow myself the time to self pleasure, because a lot of us are gonna say, I don't have time I got my kids, I promise you, you can make time. And you can make time a lot often, like I know people who do it multiple times a day is women.

Renee Mayne

Right? Absolutely, yeah.

Keri Norley

And we can do this. And cultivate this for ourselves by allowing ourselves to have the time by allowing ourselves and sometimes you guys, it might not even lead to an orgasm, self pleasure can just be I'm going to spend time touching myself and being with myself and allowing myself to explore myself. And then feeling into those places. Because I know I'm sure you're the same Rene that sometimes, like my mind is distracted, or I'm in these places, or I am processing something, and my body doesn't want to release at that time. And that in and of itself is its own lesson. Yeah, my holding, what am I sticking? And like, sometimes my then challenge to myself is Hmm, where am I holding? Why am I not allowing myself to go here? What do I need to let go of? And then I can tell you when you finally let go of that that orgasm is one hell of a freeing orgasm.

Renee Mayne

Absolutely, absolutely. And it's not even like, you know, for me, you know, I've really been sitting, I've spent the last couple of months really kind of diving into the evolution about Eros. And what I've realized is that owl entry point, the basic human function is primal. Right? It's innate, it's that primal play. It's just innate within us. It's just there. Now once we go, okay, and then we evolve a little bit, it's like, oh, this is something that we experience with other someone else, right? So it's me and other, right? And then with that, then is attachment. Attachment comes into other, right? And so a lot of people just go primal, and attachment. Right? So they realize they stay in this localize sex region, right? So every time they think about self pleasure, every time we talk about sex, it's, I can't do that, because I don't have anyone else. Because I can experience sex without other, which is completely untrue. Because we're primal beings. And it is available to all of us, right? But then once we evolve between going ik, maybe six isn't just localized to a region. Right. So now we move on to the next part of the evolution. And that is to realize are the six magic? Ah, this sex magic? So it's me and other, but actually other is not over the humankind? It is the universe. Yes. It is love. It is a GAPI. Right? It is that pure connection to Source of which that of which you submit to, right? Because we're not trying to battle with the universe. We're not trying to, you know, make God our bitch.

Keri Norley

Well, it doesn't work, by the way.

Renee Mayne

No, we want an open line of communication, right? Communion, it is two way. It is us not just barking orders and dictating what we want. It's about going okay, what how can I serve you too? How can I serve you? How can I worship you, and as soon as you have this connection, because now you've opened up a connection within yourself, and you realize that you're so much more, right? So then we go on, okay, we're so much more. So then we move into becoming holy and human. To go, Ah, so I'm holy, and I'm also human, so I can worship myself. I can worship the universe. I can also worship other. So our connection then when we do come and exchange with another person. It is electric. Because we can be of absolute worship and sacredness with someone else. Because we don't have attachment. We don't have expectations. It's I see you and you see me, so powerful. You know, and we and we come together in a beautiful exchange and where it becomes a ritual, right? So everything is amplified because you're bringing in the magic of the primal of the union of the sex magic, and you're making it into that final Ah, nothing's ever final of our evolution about Eros.

Keri Norley

Yes. So true, it's such an interesting piece in that we get to allow for that, you know, it comes back to actually is like, what's what's here with me right now is like in that expression, right? And there's so much power in the freedom of the expression. And I think when we allow ourselves the power of our own freedom expression for ourselves, and then when we can be met with a person, that will also allow us to be in the freest expression of ourselves, there's so much magic, and then all of a sudden, you take that you've been in the most intimate place of that expression. And then you take that to the world, and you take that to your business, and you take that to your money. Exactly. You all sudden, you're like, I mean, I'm uninhibited, I just did the frickin amazing thing happen over here. And I will also say, I think that I'm curious to hear this from you. Like, it's a tough question. I'm sitting here, I'm processing this, if we are in a place in a relationship, where, because this is true for many people, as you know, that you can't be in your fullest expression. Because people do shame. And especially in the insects, right, like, you can have a partner that literally will shame you for some of the curiosities that you have, or the journeys that you want to take. And as you open yourself up to pleasure, guaranteed, you're gonna have things that come into your field that you're like, do I even what, why? And like, then you might find that, like, that is one of the most pleasurable things in the world. But you weren't willing to go there because you weren't willing to be like, I'm gonna move outside of the kink zone. Right? You know, yeah, yeah. You can try it. And so there's a lot of partners I know. And I, my, my heart like breaks. So I meet the people who are like, we've had missionary sense for the entirety of our marriage for 15 years. Yeah, it was never foreplay. I don't know how to give a hand job. And I have no idea really, how to give a good blow job. And I'm like, Yeah, really? And I say this again. No shame, right? No, yes. Such man. I'm here to support and love this. Right. Yeah, I think so. How can we come in then? Probably uncommon, right. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And so I'm, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on like, how do you meet in that place, if this is where a person is at? And whether it's for themselves or in relationship? Because we can have the same freakin conditioning for ourselves, even if you don't self pleasure? And that has shame because there's plenty of place people in the world who think that's shameful, especially for a woman.

Renee Mayne

Yeah. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. were such a good question. I so there's two things to this, right. So I would say Okay, the first thing is, this is the importance of See most people you know, we go okay, you know, we talk about kink, we talk about unconscious kink. And people just think about masturbation or six, right? This is the distinction of what Eros is, right. Eros is an honoring of the erotic, which is what its deep, sensual, passionate love. Right. And that is, in all areas of our life. This is a lifeforce energy that's not localized to one area of your life or one region of your body. Right? It is all encompassing. So the importance of you like you, us cultivating this energy beginning this inquiry within ourselves, then, you know, so I, there's this practice that I have, that's called congruence rhyme. It's really juicy. It's like five minutes. So it's, it's a spin off off of Joe Dispenza. His heart coherence, right. Yeah. So he does the heart co heart coherence, where you bring for three minutes you tap into your heart and you feel and hold the feelings of love gratitude, bliss, whatever the thing is, right? So what you can do this to your six, right? No matter what genitals you you have, whether it's a lingam or Yoni does not matter or whatever you identify as is so you, you imagine what does pleasure feel like to me today? What does DECA I love the word decadence because for me, I just go ah, what does decadence feel like? That just for me, it just it just poof it just ignites throughout my body whenever I think What does decadence feel like today? Like for me, I use that word a lot. And so, and it's letting him like, it's exactly the same, letting it building your body, like giving yourself over. And then what we're doing is we're building this muscle of letting pleasure in, of letting decadence in of letting Eros in, right. And then when we do that we build that we become really clear in what we want in another person, and what we like, and what we what we what we don't want, right. So the other part to that is, knowing your kink profile, right? Everyone has a kink profile, no one on the planet is exempt from this, right? And even if people go, Ah, I'm vanilla, or I'm double out, right? It's everyone has a kink profile. You show me your kink profile? And I will tell you exactly. For me, it's like a human design chart. Right? Oh, I

Keri Norley

want to know, so is there a place we can find our King profiles?

Renee Mayne

Yes, I can give you so you could just Google BDSM test. Yeah. And that will ask you a whole bunch of questions. And for me, I look at it through the lens of whenever I talk about sex. And whenever I talk about six, whenever I talk about kink and a kink profile, I'm looking at it through the lens of sex, but also your life. Right. And so I go, Okay, this is what's going on in your life. This is what's going on, this is what you want. This is where you are, this is where you what's wanting to come through, right. And so with this kink profile, you know, your kink profile, and a potential partner, you can get their kink profile, and you can see whether you're aligned or not. Right, you can see whether you're going to jam with the same things. Right. Now another thing to that is I talk about a Mac, I can send you through a link as well for those who want to like follow up more about it. So I would do like a Venn diagram, right. So if you've got a potential, like if if you've got a partner and you're wanting to explore this, if you're single, and you're meeting a lover or a playmate, you would do like a Venn diagram. Yep. Circling got a tight, yep, the two circles. And it's that pot in the middle. That's what I call the sweet spot. Right. So then this is what it is. Yeah, literally. Yeah. And so this is, what's a hard Yes. And what's a hard no? Right. So what am I totally in for? And what's it Hello? Right? And then in that there's a space of a soft? No. And a soft? Yes. Right. So with that soft? Yes, it will be. I'm curious about that. I'm open to it, but I just need to build up my confidence. Right? Or it could be start, yes. Start off slowly. But check in with me to make sure I'm okay. Right. So, and then a soft no is like, like, not right now. So let me warm up to it. I just need to trust myself. And I just need to build up some safety. To make sure I'm, you know, I feel safe in letting myself go. You know, so again, this communication piece, it becomes this beautiful experience whereby even just the communication beforehand, is it bonds you in a way that you see the person just and for me, it's just so beautiful, it's so sacred, and it's like, I see you and I letting you see me. And that is you know, for me, kink and BDSM is about one thing and that's trust. You know, trust is so important. And the other thing is, you know, as you know, say in my containers all the time is within, you know, with anything, but it's really addictive, particularly if you're stepping into that dominatrix right and submissive but particularly dominatrix is it can be you know, you can become manipulative, but it's never a personal gain and agenda. But it's it's about Bunnell avoidance and not personal gain and agenda. So what is of what's going to be a win win for everybody what feels good for everybody here, what lights us up? Here? Not about I just want to experience this because I want to get there.

Keri Norley

That brings me an amazing question that I have like is bursting. So If we have manipulation in the dominatrix, or we can go to in the submissive, how do we create trust? Because this is an interesting place, right? Like? Yes. Whether it's in sexuality or with God. Yeah, absolutely. This is all going to happen. And I'm going to be in the best. I'm going to be held. Because yes, because what happens when that person is the manipulative person? And I thought I could trust them.

Renee Mayne

Yeah, yeah. So I would again, it's about with, for me, I talk about like sacred dominance and sacred, submissive, sacred submission. And so it's about going, okay. Because it takes a lot like, you know, if I'm going to trust you, like, I'm a switch, which means I can be both dominant and submissive. However, if I don't feel safe in their dominance, I can't let go. Right. I find it really hard to surrender. And so, but what you're doing then is a submissive is a submissive knows exactly what they want. Right? A submissive knows how they like to be managed, or handled or held. And it's up to the submissive to articulate that before the exchange. Right. So submissives, really, in through my lens have even more power than the dominant route? Because they can say yes or no, ultimately, yeah. They can say yes or no, they can say this is what I like. Right? And so that beautiful surrender that happens. And you might go, you know, again, it's that muscle of trust to go, I'm gonna submit to here where it might start off with and I'll use the lens of of sex just because it's easy, but again, you could quite easily be in business or in wealth, you know, so, I might then start off with handcuffs. And then I'll feel safety there and then let it be a slow unraveling, right. So then it might be like, Ah, okay, so now you can bring in a flogger. Ik now you can bring in a blindfold, you know, or now we can do some you know, whatever it is let it be a soft unraveling. Right. So, in terms of wealth, you go, I might art I might submit to actually going, this is where my money's going. Oh, okay. Looking at I submit to my bank accounts going. Okay. Right. So I submit to this, just by looking at it to identifying what's in front of me. Yes, right. Where am I now? So the whole thing about submission is, where am I now? Where do I want to go? And then fusing it together, doing what ever steps is required to get you there, right. That's how I really look at submission. A lot of the time.

Keri Norley

What I keep seeing, interestingly, actually, like what you're also like, even if I think about the guidance, right, like, I've made the declaration, this is what I desire. So as a submissive, right, I've told my DOM, this is what I desire. I told the universe, this is what I desire. And then I show up and let him or her as the dominatrix take over and trust that the end result will happen, but we don't actually know exactly how it's gonna get the exact I just trust them to have a crap ton of pleasure getting there. Yeah,

Renee Mayne

yeah, exactly. Because we're taking the time to cultivate that Eros.

Keri Norley

That's all we have to do. So that's the same thing. So interesting. The same thing and universe like I take the time to cultivate my own arrows, and be in my pleasure zone, request and demand from the universe. This is what's going to happen. And now surrender it. Okay, universe. Lead me that. Yeah.

Renee Mayne

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And also knowing that going, okay, like, trusting that the universe, this is where I want to go, right? This is, this is where I want to go. But hey, I trust you in how you get me there.

Keri Norley

Right. Right. So it's not like saying, I want to get here. And step one looks like this. Step two, looks like this. You wouldn't tell a dog. This is how you're gonna do it.

Renee Mayne

Yeah. So it's the set. And this is again, like this is the mirror right? It's so symbolic and the thread is woven throughout the interconnectivity here is so alive. And so you go yeah, this is where I want to go. And now I'm handing it over to you Do I trust you? In whatever journey awaits me? Right? Because we've taken the time to build up that trust within ourselves. And the DOM? Yeah. Right. This this piece that keeps on coming up to me, so I would really love to speak to it if that's okay. Um, that is the kink archetype of the void. Right? So the Void is an is a kink archetype. That is, I'll say in everybody. I've not seen a kink profile that it doesn't exist it, right? So a voyeur is someone who likes to watch. Now, if we look at that through the eyes of life, right, there's a beautiful power here. There's a power where we can go, I trust my path, right? I love and support you. I get pleasure. From watching you succeed. I get off on watching you succeed. It brings me so much joy and love to just witness life. Right? Beautiful power. Absolutely stunning. It's the sisterhood. It's the Brotherhood. It's humanity. Right? It's it's beautiful. You know, however, and this is, and I find it happens a lot in the wealth journey is the false power. It happens a backup load in business. The false power of the Voya is being a bystander in your own life. Is being a cheerleader in your own life is us conducting a play and not giving ourselves the lead role? Right. So the false power of the Voya is rife, is to go, I've got all this money stuff. And it's all happening here. But I'm not taking any responsibility for it. I'll just trust that it's just all going to happen. And it's all going to play out. But I'm not a part of it. I'm not injecting myself. I'm not going to care too much. Because I am just so happy. You know, mums do this all the time. I'm just happy when my kids are happy. Oh, you know, and so

Keri Norley

I wake up 18 years later going where the hell is my happiness? Yes, yeah, exactly.

Renee Mayne

So you go okay, like it's huge. This is a huge one. For so many of us. Because we use that voyeurism to escape our own reality, to owning our lives to going Fuck it. This is what I want. I want to feel alive. I want to feel turned on. I want to feel seen, I want to feel heard. I want to be fully expressed in who I am. Right? But we use the Voya to just stand on the sidelines and go oh, okay, I'm happy. I'm happy if you're happy. You know, and we think that we're really lovely person. Yes, but true. You're miserable. Yep. Yeah, you're

Keri Norley

speaking, right? Yeah, speaking from experience.

Renee Mayne

What's that? Yeah, right. Totally not met one person who hasn't danced with this or hasn't had an unraveling their life in some way. It happens to all of us. I am their husband. I'm happy if I provide for my kids. I don't need anything else. Like I'm sorry, but

Keri Norley

there's weird shit, right? We more to life than putting putting a roof over your head

Renee Mayne

way more, way more. And not only that is you're putting your happiness on other people. And that's not fair. Right? You're outsourcing your happiness. Like you need to give me pleasure to make me feel full. Right? Same thing is porn porn. Okay, porn is not bad. I'll relate if we if we rely on porn, right then it's an issue. Right? Same as same as like woman you're looking at life through the eyes of the Voyer same thing.

Keri Norley

Yeah, I see this a lot you know, with teaching money stuff a lot. The earpiece and I know I did right. I outsourced I outsourced my to financial planner, my money and You know, for years for 20 odd years I did. And I didn't, I would touch point with it, I would these things, but to take the actual responsibility and get your hands dirty, first of all meant that I didn't do it right right away. Yeah, messed it up. I lost money. I did stupid things, which weren't yet it was just that I didn't know any better at the time. Exactly. Yeah. And that's part of removing, I would say, it's the hard piece of removing ourselves from the Voyer on all areas of this, but I can just speak from my wealth journey, and the people I see with clients is that most people don't want to take that step because I might fuck this up. And so it's way easier to sit here and look, than it is to go and get in the game. Absolutely. And in not doing so we totally do a disservice to ourselves, because we're not connected to it. Yeah, exactly. No connection. With my money. I would be like, Oh, check it great. Okay, great. Yeah, that's good. But like, there was no connection to it. And yeah, the things I have had to learn about myself, the processing I've had to do and all the quote unquote, mistakes that I've made. The places I've had to look and go, Oh, look at how you didn't do it that way. Look, how you did it this way. Look at this place that you missed it. Yeah, this opportunity. Look at this thing that you did, yes. It has been such a pivotal piece of the growth of my life, my business, my finances, my business. Yeah. And it takes the willingness to say, I'm tired of watching from the sidelines of my life, and I'm willing to make all the mistakes. And if we look at this from an unconscious kink perspective, to get turned on, by my mistakes, right, and when we started this by saying this, and I don't think I actually got to like the depths of this, but like, it was huge for me to go. I am like, I can look at that thing. And think that was the most horrible thing, or that was a terrible mistake, or how could I possibly do that? And yeah, okay, now, how can I get turned on by that? Look at what I did create that, because I wanted that so bad? Yeah, I created that. And now I'm going to be turned on by that stupid thing that I did. And it will change everything. But you have got to get your skin in the game.

Renee Mayne

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely going to allow ourselves to be clunky. allow ourselves to be clunky, and imperfect in that, right? Is because we go I can't step off this sideline, and get into the race. Because I might lose, I don't know how to run. I don't know, you know what I'm doing. And I don't want to feel awkward. allow ourselves to be awkward, becomes the owner, allow yourself to fumble. It's okay. Allow yourself

Keri Norley

like even in this like, even if we look at it from a sexual perspective, right? Allow yourself to be able to say I want to express these desires. I'm probably gonna fuck this up. And I might piss you off. Yeah, and I might not get this right. And then we might try it. And it might be a complete and utter disaster.

Renee Mayne

Yes, okay. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. I desire it. I might experience it and then not want it ever again. Ever again. It might not be actually this is really shit. And you know, not interested. Okay, I

Keri Norley

said something because there's some of the other day about a boundary. And I was like, and I have the right to change my mind at any given point in time. And I think that's a really important thing that we learn, like, you know, especially when the sexual piece because it's pretty quick if you're like, No, no, don't want that now. Yes, yes. More of that. Right. But like, exactly everything in our lives is that we think that because we took a pass and this can happen with our business, with our finances, with relationships with anything, because I took a path this is the Yes, I said, but we don't give ourselves permission to change our minds. And in this game, you've got to give yourself full permission to say yes at this point and change your mind because like I thought I liked it, but no, didn't like it at all. Yeah, I like trying this thing in my business. I thought I wanted to fully express this way. I thought I wanted to start a podcast. I thought I wanted to Yeah, not that sorry. Yeah.

Renee Mayne

Exactly. That's it exactly. full permission to own your yeses and own your nose. And reassess all the time. Like, okay, is this feeling good for me right now? Do I feel alive doing this right now? Yeah, not like follow the turn on.

Keri Norley

Yep. And it can beat over it every day to where like what do you on one day like I mean even dancing right what my turn me on and dancing one day might not turn me on the next day. What might turn me on in my bedroom one day? Might not I'm like, oh, I want that toy today. Not that one. That one's gonna be a right it's everything like we get to choose every day and what what what creates turn on for us and you know, especially as women like we have different parts of our menstrual cycle different things that are going on all the time and kids and yada yada yada. That's like today it's like we want to lie here and have self pleasure with each other where tomorrow I want to have absolutely crazy wild Let's hang from the rooftop sex.

Renee Mayne

Absolutely that taking the time to tap into Uh, you know what like in this is the gig in that question is, what does decadence feel like for me today? What does decadence look like for me today? You know, it might be I just want to like call, you know, curl up on the lounge with my favorite blanket. Let's cuddle, let's have a bath. Let me like, I just want to tie you up and Peggy, like, you know, whatever it is, is it looks differently every day. And if we can come back to that and go, like, what do I need today? What do I actually need today? It's a beautiful thing.

Keri Norley

That is so beautiful. I can talk to you for like ever and ever. And there's so many more places. I am. Like, I don't even know how, by the way, people, I don't actually know how long because we had the internet stuff. So I actually have no idea how long this podcast is. But I'm sure it's the perfect amount of time for you all to have enjoyed one hell of an amazing conversation. I would love to be honest, for anyone who's listening to this and gotten to this point, please reach out. Rene and I are both very approachable people. I'm sure that this stuff has probably if you are human, brought some things up for you. We are both beautiful to hear is willing to listen and hear and hear. We love getting feedback to hear what's come up for you as you go through this because this is I don't think a journey that needs to be done alone. Yeah, I think this is a really beautiful journey to be on with other people. If you've never experienced any of these things are even if you're somewhere on this path, like there are so many ways you can be supported and guided. So how can people find you, my dear.

Renee Mayne

So you can find me at the School of somatic kink.com. Everything is there. I will put I'll send you through a link. I've got like a beginner's guide to kink and BDSM that explores the practicality but also the energy work as well. And that's it's just a free resource where people go, Oh, okay, cool. These are the links to all the tests, the quizzes, this is what it is. And so that would be a really beautiful start, as well. But I'm on you know, Facebook, Insta, you know, all the things go find all the

Keri Norley

amazing. This school by the way the school is commanded somatic hand grenade just told me before we got on has been accredited. There is I know I've known Rene for I don't know, a lot of years now, many years, like probably 678 years, something like that. And I know from what I have seen of Renee, she has such full integrity. She is I mean, obviously listen to her amazing. But her business, her business experience is phenomenal. And so I know that this school and what she's bringing to the world is only going to continue to grow and grow and grow and grow. And I know the integrity and the heart of what you bring it is I just I just like sensor like a lightning like a lightning bolt of you know what this world needs right now. And we are in this time in place right now where I mean, I've said it on so many podcasts we are in this time of ascension and there is no doubt that you are hearing this if you are listening and you have gotten this far in this conversation, there is no doubt that there was something in here for you. And I invite you into that exploration wherever you are, no matter how far down you end up going no matter how. How big and small I don't even know this right word kinks are. That's the right word, because it's not really the right word. But you get what I'm saying? Yes, um, you know, there's a safe place for you to start exploring. And yeah, I both of us can attest without a shadow of a doubt that the more that we explore this area of our lives, the more pleasure and the more joy in the more abundance and the more of my I'm going to say my fullest expression comes online. My unapologetic fullest expression comes online and there is no greater gift.

Renee Mayne

Yeah, absolutely. The ripple effect is amazing. It's just incredible. It's really Yeah, it just never ceases to amaze me.

Keri Norley

Never Never Never. Thank you my dear. Is there anything else you would like to just quickly wrap this up

Renee Mayne

with? Thank you know that for your piece was just a piece that I really felt to speak to so thank you so much. It's been so yeah, it's been lovely to just hang out with you and dive in and just echoing Yeah, if there's any thoughts or questions then yeah, reach out because it's a big it's a big topic. But start off with those those questions, you know, so what's the reality? What's the fantasy? What's that mirror? You know, what's what's that mirror showing me? So yeah, thanks beautiful. Well,

Keri Norley

thank you and for everyone else listening we will see you or I will see you. I will, I will speak to you is probably the better word. Next week on the podcast Until then have a wonderful week, wherever you are.

Renee Mayne

Hi, everybody.

Keri Norley

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